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Heritage Offers NGC Graded Salmon Collection Of Massachusetts Coins

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 Posted 08/16/2022  1:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Amazing collection.

Blurb here:
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/articl...20Collection

Gallery here:
https://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/sal...20Collection

I was tempted to bump this thread, but nah.
http://goccf.com/t/370805
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 Posted 08/16/2022  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I was tempted to bump this thread, but nah.


Aw man, greatest thread ever on this site, the (in)famous '1652 New England 3 Pence' thread, ended not with a bang, but a whimper.
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 Posted 08/17/2022  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1652 New England 3 Pence' thread



These coins incredibly cool and historically significant. The designs aren't artistic or attractive in my opinion. I really like the 1652 Pellets Massachusetts Pine Tree Shilling in the NGC MS-63 slab. A high grade beauty.
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 Posted 08/17/2022  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The relevant connection to the infamous thread is the NE sixpence in the gallery images. I thought I had found all the sixpence images there were, but the Salmon example I had not seen photographed anywhere before. It's the same NE punch used on the threepence (supposedly) and on the Salmon example is incredibly deeply struck. And he has nine NE shillings! Nine!
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 Posted 08/18/2022  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for this post! Some amazing coins. I did a review on Christopher's book not long ago here on CCF: http://goccf.com/t/407299

The book is again available through the Heritage site and for much less than it cost when it came out (still not cheap at $75.00), a fantastic large format almost coffee table sized book and wonderful paper quality and printing with huge photos of the New England silver pieces.
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 Posted 08/18/2022  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Winesteven to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think there's something "fishy" about this Heritage Auction of the Salmon collection, lol. Let's not forget they're also auctioning the Bass collection too.

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 Posted 08/19/2022  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My U.S. Type Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/278808/
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 Posted 08/22/2022  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thought I would bump this thread, today is the Heritage Auction, anyone going to watch/bid? I will have it running and have a few on my watch list, but doubt I can out-muscle the wealth that will be watching this one.
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 Posted 08/22/2022  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just won one of the three lots I was after. Nothing big, but I'm happy with it and what I paid, which is all that matters. Spent under $100 on a France Sou Mark colonial piece.
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 Posted 08/22/2022  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I just won one of the three lots I was after. Nothing big, but I'm happy with it and what I paid, which is all that matters. Spent under $100 on a France Sou Mark colonial piece.


I had a nice big watch list, logged in for a good night of bidding, and weirdly there were 2 auctions at the same time. The big one w/ the Salmon silvers had real human auctioneers, while the other one (old coppers) was robotic w/ no humans .. weird, why wouldn't they do the robotic one when there wasn't another major auction going on?

Anyway, I got 4 nice old coppers in the robot auction to advance my personal vision for a colonial type set (will post them here eventually), however in the big auction w/ the Mass silvers I got blown out of the water on every coin, man those guys have deep pockets.

I missed out on a French coin, I bid 240 or something on a VG8 1722 9 denier, but didn't get it done. Can't win em all, on we go.
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 Posted 08/22/2022  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I missed out on a French coin, I bid 240 or something on a VG8 1722 9 denier, but didn't get it done.


I had that one on the watch list too I think the chances of winning were much better in the old coppers auction as all the deep pockets were at the other sale, I too found that strange that they held both at the same time, but after my little win I'm sure not complaining. I should have tried on the other few Auctori and New York tokens I had on the watch list. The went fairly low, but I do have some large bills coming up soon, I needed to keep some money in reserve for.
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 Posted 08/23/2022  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I was tempted to bump this thread, but nah.
http://goccf.com/t/370805


This coin was not at the auction you indicated ? Maybe she was at another auction ? Has anyone ever seen her after the disappearance of the owner on the forum ?
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 Posted 08/23/2022  10:04 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slerk: That coin still has not been proven to be a genuine coin. It disappeared from the world towards the end of that thread. The owner never replied back after getting some flack over it online. Last I heard anything on it was mentioned it had gone to Stack's/Bowers for authentication and more study, that's where the trail grows cold.

Far as I know it's never sold, it would make huge news stories if it were to come out as a genuine coin that was new to the census. There are only the Massachusetts Historical Society example and one from the DuPont collection (which was stolen and never recovered), though there were some photographs of the DuPont example so we know it was not this coin. Value on a genuine new New England 3 pence coin? Millions and millions, maybe 7 to 12 million dollars?
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 Posted 08/23/2022  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Slerk - the connection of the threepence thread to the Salmon collection is that there is a New England sixpence in the Salmon collection. Sorry if I confused you. The sixpence purportedly had the same NE punch as was used on the threepence. I had never seen images of the Salmon example, so it was another data point for comparison to the Netherlands threepence. The sixpence was not in last night's auction. It's in the NGC gallery but perhaps it is not being sold.

@westcoin - it was the Yale collection that had the other threepence, not DuPont. The Yale collection example disappeared prior to a famous theft of many coins in 1965(?) and was never photographed. The only image of the Yale example was a plate from an early 1800s catalog of their collection, I posted this in the infamous thread. I can't recall what was stolen from DuPont but it was a very famous coin, Brasher doubloon perhaps?

Interestingly, the Massachusetts Historical Society also has a sixpence that was stolen, it appeared in an auction, and MHS got it back at some point (I think I posted more details on that in the other thread). I had had some contact with the curator at MHS about the NL threepence, and she gave me some insights into the process that was occurring that I am not supposed to share. That was a year ago now and I feel like I shouldn't bother her again.

On topic - wow. The NE shillings went for some strong money. I'd have to sell my house to get one.
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08/23/2022 11:09 am
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 Posted 08/23/2022  11:43 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kbbpll - Correct you are Yale not DuPont, and Yale sold the Brasher Doubloon to fund their new library, it was one of the coins stolen in the robbery, but found and returned
.
https://www.nytimes.com/1981/01/04/...library.html

https://ydnhistorical.library.yale....-txIN-------

One of the coins was a Mormon Gold $10 which surfaced in Chicago in 1965 right after the robbery then it disappeared just as fast and hasn't been see again.
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 Posted 08/23/2022  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now I see how easily you mixed them up. Both Yale and Dupont had Brasher doubloons that were stolen and then recovered, and around the same couple years too.
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