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1910 $20 St. Gaudens

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 Posted 09/15/2022  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to explain; the coin is gold tone, but there are areas of brighter and darker which the picture shows. . . . the coin looks like it had some areas darker than others. I mentioned above, it looks like it was in a shoddy plastic sleeve ... I'm concerned it would get an residue on coin or environmental damage tick... sorry...just thinking out loud.
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 Posted 09/15/2022  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smalldawg59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Need better pics. can't tell from these.
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 Posted 09/15/2022  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the actual color is close to photos, pass.
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 Posted 09/15/2022  5:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm leaning toward a pass. Unsure of how difficult, or expensive, it is to get a certified eBay example to your home.
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 Posted 09/15/2022  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold does tone, and a saint gaudens isn't unusual with a yellow color progression. I see no issues with authenticity. Lots of chatter, MS-62.
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 Posted 09/15/2022  5:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My feeling was a pass too, although I've wavered. I have seen some examples of toning on Saints, but the uneven toning is what makes me flinch. I think I can find a better Saint Gaudens here. Strange part about gold coin sales here is that coins are mostly sold on metal weight with little concern for numismatics. Kruggerands and sovereigns (Elizabeth, George, Edward, Victoria post 1871 are all sold at the same price) and older European gold are more common than anything American. I found a nice 1960 Cien Pesos Chilean coin and an american 1/4 eagle; 1987 is priced the same as any other 1/4 oz of gold for instance. Same with ASEs, I bought a 1986 for the same price as any other ...

I'll look around tomorrow. As things tighten, I am noticing more gold coming into the shops.

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 Posted 09/15/2022  6:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Off color leads me to a question:
What is the accurate weight?

If genuine, then
MS-61.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Alright, so I went back and the coloring is fine. Not sure what I was thinking last week. There are two rough areas that may be old PVC marks...not sure though, just some slight wear in the fields on the obverse.not sure if I'm being too picky or ... What
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 Posted 09/22/2022  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Alright, so I went back and the coloring is fine.


so you are saying the original photos you posted are not accurate for color? did you take new photos?
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 Posted 09/22/2022  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No. I did not. I am confident on the coloring, except for some grainy parts in the fields on the obverse. It is difficult to explain, but shops here are reluctant to allow photos and more than an ask - ie last time - isn't appreciated.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Has weight confirmed genuine yet?
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 Posted 09/23/2022  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes. It weighs and measures out at the right dimensions; let's say it's authentic. still mixed feelings...
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 Posted 09/23/2022  02:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, take to a dealer for a comparative ping tone test against a known genuine Double Eagle.

If you still have mixed feelings, an XRF test would be appropriate.
Any specialist bullion dealer worth their salt should have a hand held XRF instrument. They may charge a fee to test your coin and give you the results, but they do not necessarily have to offer an opinion re authenticity for your coin.

Failing that, just submit to a top shelf TPGrader. They will not grade it, if, in their opinion, the coin is not genuine. Potential value after grading can well justify the grading and return shipping fees. in this case.

If, after all of this, the coin checks out well, it is reasonable to assume that
the off color is most probably a toning of the copper component in the alloy, due to aggressive environmental conditions.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @sel. I am confident the coin is authentic... Just considering holding out for a better example or diversifying further...
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 Posted 09/24/2022  06:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Am I imagining PVC damage?
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