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Can Any One Identify This Coin? | Contemprary Counterfeit William IV Halfcrown

 
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 Posted 09/22/2022  07:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kilian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi I have this nice coin which I believe is George lll - text reads Gulielmus lll and it is dated 1836 on the other side. I can't work out what the denomination is and also any idea of value. Many thanks for any information!



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 Posted 09/22/2022  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps a half crown: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces12808.html

Do you have weight and diameter?
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 Posted 09/22/2022  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kilian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi thanks - it is 9.6 gms and approx 3 cm diameter.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  08:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So the diameter matches that of a half crown, but 9.6 g is seriously underweight, it should be about 14 g. That and the somewhat porous surface gives me some concern about its authenticity, but one of our experts on British coins will hopefully give their opinion too.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Erafjel has identified the type correctly.
I have an example of these in about VF condition.
When I saw the picture, I instantly thought 'forgery'.
Weight confirms.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kilian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi how interesting. Does it have any interest or age or value with this information?
Many thanks
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 Posted 09/22/2022  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Does it have any interest or age or value with this information?

It's almost certainly a contemporary forgery made to circulate, rather than a more recent one to deceive a collector. Some people do indeed collect and study contemporary forgeries.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I concur.
Contemporary cast copy.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And for the record, it's George IV. George III was long gone by 1836.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And for the record, it's George IV. George III was long gone by 1836.
It's actually William IV. Those Latin names can be deceptive.
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 Posted 09/22/2022  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's actually William IV. Those Latin names can be deceptive.

Ha ha! Of course you're correct, how silly of me.I should double-check such things before typing too quickly.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kilian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, if there is one thing I have committed to memory it is Kings and Queens' dates! Thanks for all the help.
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 Posted 09/23/2022  05:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with the above. The coin is likely a contemporary copy of a William IV Halfcrown. It looks like it was likely uttered back in the 1830s or 1840s rather than a modern Chinese fake.

The genuine coin should look like this.



In "Average" condition.

However the weight should be 14.13 grams for a UNC piece, this condition 13.5 seems more suitable, a worn flat dog around 12 grams.

Uttering was the term given to making fake coins back then. Until 1832 you could be hanged for making a fake ú1 note, and making fake halfcrowns would win you a trip to Australia for at least 7 years - One way!

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 Posted 09/25/2022  8:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add David Graham to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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making fake halfcrowns would win you a trip to Australia for at least 7 years - One way!

I heard on a docu that some actually chose death by hanging rather than transportation. Ironic choosing death given that most convicts were released earlier than their sentence dictated and ended up doing far better than if they had stayed in the UK. Alas, some poor sods did end up in NZ after serving time in Oz.
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 Posted 09/27/2022  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ttkoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Alas, some poor sods did end up in NZ after serving time in Oz.

you're goin' straight ta heck for that one!

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