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Unknown Ming Dynasty Coin

 
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 Posted 10/04/2022  9:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add onethindime to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good afternoon, this coin was part of a collection put together during WWII. I am certain it is not a modern fake, and at the very least predates 1944. It's similar to Hartill 20.229, but with yi moved to 12:00 replacing shi. It is 47mm and weighs 32.8 grams. Rare Ming issue? Contemporary counterfeit? Foreign issue? Thank you for your thoughts!


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 Posted 10/05/2022  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/05/2022  09:39 am  Show Profile   Check Seeker55's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Seeker55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For whatever it's worth, found this coin in Zeno which is similar in weight and diameter, and matches on the obverse but not the reverse.

https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=259377

It's described as Ming dynasty Tian Qi tong bao, one liang, AD 1621-1627
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 Posted 10/05/2022  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wandering Circle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I googled a bit in Chinese and I also can't find this Tianqi variant. Maybe it's a replica made as a luck token, or a unrecorded variant. Perhaps checking its metal composition in comparison to other Tianqi Tongbao could help?
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 Posted 10/05/2022  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onethindime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, I've tried every resource online but have been at a loss. I don't think it's a replica, given the quality and provenance. I also don't think it's a charm, since it shares the same value, diameter, and weight as the typical series. The typical series only had an issuance in the 10's of thousands, so it might be a variation in an already rare series.
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 Posted 10/17/2022  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if the reverse was made in error with missing or incorrectly placed lines from an improper casting?
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 Posted 11/18/2022  12:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hanbaili to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a common Ming Dynasty "Tian Qi Shi Yi Liang" 10-cash coin.

Based on the size, weight, toning, calligraphy style, and the cast style, I believe it is an authentic one, but someone engraved and removed the vertical stroke of "#21313;" to make it as "#19968;", from "ten" to "one" on the reverse side.



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