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 Posted 10/17/2022  08:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am stumped on this. Supposedly a 1940 20 (fen) but I've never seen a design like this. I would assume this to be a token.

The color is quite off as it's not as yellow as seen. It's more silvery however does has some wear and exposes a different grey tone



Weight: 6.12g

This is interesting as it resembles the Republic coins issued during this era



However as you can see, there are some differences as there is no denomination "fen"

The mystery continues...
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 Posted 10/25/2022  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well we know the bottom coin is a https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide...duid-1291751
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 Posted 10/25/2022  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's certainly a puzzler, and certainly not an official coin. But exactly what it is, I am uncertain.

I believe the reverse inscription is "er zhi" or "two zhi". "Zhi" can mean control, rule, or cure, depending on context. As far as I can tell, "zhi" was never a slang term for "10 cents", so I don't think it's actually supposed to be a denomination. Two governments? Two cures? I'm not culturally aware enough to translate it properly. I'm also unsure of what the basket-like object on the obverse is - perhaps an incense-burner?

Considering the context of the war-torn nature of China in 1940 (the date on the coin), perhaps some kind of anti-Japanese token? By 1940, much of China's population was under Japanese occupation, with the ROC government, in uneasy alliance with the Communists, essentially being reduced to a guerrilla army. Perhaps the "two zhi" are a reference to the KMT-Communist alliance? But I'm really just guessing here.
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 Posted 10/31/2022  08:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the analysis Sap.

I've corrected the color so it should look better

The bigger question is - what is this 'token' trying to feature? A vase with something?
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 Posted 01/20/2023  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found something that shows something similar with the vase

https://new.qq.com/rain/a/20200111A0FEHC00

It's a token of something but what it is puzzles me.
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 Posted 03/06/2023  06:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And found another unusual token as well. This seems to be quite scarce



Token suggest it is issued for the Nanjing Air Force General Command in 1947. What's more interesting is who issued it - supposedly by Sino-American Association. First time hearing about this company!
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 Posted 06/09/2023  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The top token (we'll call it that for lack of a better description) has two orthographic oddities. Firstly, the inscription on the vase side says "China Year 29", using a special character for 20. Then, the "spade" side says "two ten", using the standard way of writing "20" except with alternate, more formal (and harder to forge) characters often used on money. There's no actual denomination, although "fen" is strongly implied.

If you compare that with the Sun Yat-Sen coin immediately below, you can see that the inscription on the head side is "Republic of China Year Two Ten Eight" (28), while the "spade" reads "Twenty Fen" using the "20" character used in the date on the token.
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 Posted 06/09/2023  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
publius: any idea what this vase looking thing is?

Saw some similar examples as shown here

https://kknews.cc/zh-my/collect/k4qvlqq.html

One of those odd challenges...
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 Posted 06/09/2023  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add publius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me it appears to be an offering-urn or brazier, heaped up with coals, and with flames arising from the coals. A similar vessel appears on some Chinese currency notes of the same period.
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 Posted 06/10/2023  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting, I didn't think of that!

Thanks for that publius.

Let me know if you come across a similar token like this...
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