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Unsure Of This One - Probably Mamluk

 
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 Posted 01/20/2023  06:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone help identify this copper please?
many thanks
weight is 2.53. 18mm


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 Posted 01/20/2023  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like a decent match for Hajji II, but I'd really like confirmation from @kushan @andy or someone else with more knowledge. Here is a link for a comparison coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3953159
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 Posted 01/20/2023  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks Spence. I think you're right. The right image needs rotated about 100 degrees
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 Posted 01/20/2023  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a Zeno reference
https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=294906

Interestingly that source seems to attribute all these coins to the 2nd reign rather than the 1st reign attribution in the Agora Auctions example.

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 Posted 01/21/2023  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The good news is that you seem to be right by type. The bad news is that both the ruler's name and the date are off flan. On the reverse, the mint name Dimashq is legible inside the star. The date, written out in words in the margin, is completely missing.

On the obverse, the words in large letters across the center are al-sultan al-malik. Not much help. The name Hajji should be in the lower section but alas it is missing. According to Balog, the upper section should read al-Mansur and on a couple of the coins at Zeno it does clearly. On yours and some of the others at Zeno, it's something different but exactly what I'm not certain. None are clear. Perhaps al-Mansur preceded by another word?

Regarding 1st or 2nd reign, Balog lists them under the 2nd (p. 246, #532 dated 791 and #533 dated 792). The absolute determiner would be the date. Frankly none of the coins have a legible date. Also, it seems that the laqab al-Mansur was adopted for the 2nd reign.

[edit] On the Agora coin, the left image (obverse) is upside-down. On the op, the left image (reverse) should be rotated 120 degrees clockwise.
Edited by Kushanshah
01/21/2023 07:13 am
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 Posted 01/22/2023  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks very much for that very comprehensive reply. A pity it couldn't be nailed down completely - but still a great description of what it is and from what time and place it came from.
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