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Are These Authentic Morgan's?

 
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 Posted 03/10/2023  6:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RandomUnknowns to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I purchase storage lockers at auction and awhile back I found these in a unit I bought (along with a lot of other coins) that appeared to belong to an older gentleman that I believe passed away. I was just curious if any of them were genuine Morgan's or if they are fakes.

*I forgot to take a photo of the reverse of the 1881*











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 Posted 03/10/2023  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some look harshly cleaned but at first glance nothing screams fake to me.
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 Posted 03/10/2023  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please show us sharp, large images of both sides of each coin, one coin per thread.



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 Posted 03/10/2023  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jakes Coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

But all appear counterfeit to me. The 1896 s could possibly be real but all the others look off. And with all the others appearing counterfeit I doubt there would be a real 1896 s. but weights (not in the 2x2 holders) may help confirm.
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 Posted 03/10/2023  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RandomUnknowns to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will check the weights outside of holders when I get back home this evening and I will post them. I will also try to take some better pictures as well.
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 Posted 03/10/2023  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They all look genuine to me although a couple of them do look a little harshly cleaned/rubbed.

If he was an "older gentleman" he probably knew what he had purchased or received somehow and they weren't circulated much at that time. If you think about it our parents or grandparents collected coins when the coins themselves were not very old or highly collected yet.

For example, my Grandmother was born in 1890. Morgans would not have been more than a few years old and some weren't even minted yet. My Mother inherited a few from her and I have those now.

The 2x2's have some age and wear to them. I believe that they were previously stapled and then re-stapled. Label makers were invented in the 1930's but, those look new(ish), I believe.

Lovely! Let us know what your research (weights, measures, etc.) prove out for you.
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 Posted 03/10/2023  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the CC dates are fake. Note the same scratch on each reverse eagle's breast. This counterfeit die also has a cast bump above the D in dollar. It appears someone tried to remove the bump with heavy cleaning.

Compare your CC coin's reverse to this counterfeit:
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 Posted 03/11/2023  07:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
RandomUnknowns,

First thing is to test with a magnet, should not be attracted.
Then do the tissue test.
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 Posted 03/11/2023  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add keith12 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First photo looks good to me. would love to see the reverse.

I agree with @Slider on the others..
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 Posted 03/11/2023  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 81CC and 96S are both counterfeits.

The other CC's are DEFINITELY counterfeits.

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 Posted 03/11/2023  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating thread. These Morgans need to examined in hand by a reputable expert, as most appear counterfeit. Many also appear to be suspiciously or harshly cleaned/buffed in an attempt to add luster. The gentleman may have been an unwitting victim of an unscrupulous dealer.
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 Posted 03/12/2023  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add burfle23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would be interesting to know when these were collected by the original owner. I wrote an article on the current 1881-CC fakes flooding the internet and matched the common reverse to Slider23's image from back in 2018 I believe...
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 Posted 03/12/2023  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All the CC's look counterfeit to me.
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 Posted 03/13/2023  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Different obverse dies were paired with a common reverse
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