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 Posted 05/27/2023  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm sorry that you purchased a third-party-assembled set of 2016 ASEs while under the impression that it was an official US Mint product


Well in my case,I was just confused about the facts. I don't think I ended up too underwater once it was all said and done. I can't remember any specific numbers for what I paid or sold anything for, but again I think it evened out ok.
I'm not pointing any fingers as far as making these sets up. The ASEs are genuine, is just that they never sold the 2 as a set, which is pretty odd in my book, they missed a good opportunity. My only thing would be if selling, to make sure it's spelled out, in case you get a rookie like I was. Educate them.
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 Posted 05/27/2023  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have more than one set produced by the US Mint that has individual COAs for each included coin vs. one for the set.

I'm not familiar with what your collection consists of, so you may be talking about types of sets I have no knowledge of. As far as sets with ASEs, I am really pretty sure I have any set produced that has an ASE in it, including foreign sets.
As far as a US Mint set with an ASE, I can't think of a single example with more than one COA. I think one or two of my RM sets may.
I'm all ears if you have an example.
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 Posted 05/27/2023  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It's just that comment was bundled in with the rest of your statement..

My writing is definitely a hot mess at times.
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 Posted 05/29/2023  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll do a update to my collection. Again the articles I wrote were for a Facebook group I'm in and thought it would be fine to just share it here, for those that wouldn't have seen it on facebook. I am about as far as I went on Facebook, so I could consider marching on on the facebook group and continue to share here. I'll give that some though. Maybe I could concentrate on getting better pictures as I go along. Well here's the article and I have the pics ready to add:

Well it won't be all that long and I'll be done and up to date on my weekly history pictorials. Here we go with 2017, it's kind of short and sweet compared to a few of these past weeks
2017.
One big change coming, but we can start with the usual basics.
The Proof and Uncirculated, showing what we, I guess at that point would consider the "usual", the West Point mint releases.
Sales codes again were like we are used to today, Proof 17EA, Uncirculated 17EG.
I don't get into the third party graders much, as you all know. But 2017 was very pivotal for the graders. NGC had noticed differences in the quality and appearance of the green monster boxes as well as the serial numbers and decided to ask for information through the Freedom of Information Act and found that the mint had been producing bullion at the San Francisco as well as the West Point mint for several years. So that's when they started having the implied mint marks on labels.
So then the rest of the coins pictured.
It was announced that the Congratulations Set in 2017 was going to have the ASE minted at the San Francisco mint. This was the first ASE Proof produced at San Francisco in 5 years, the 2012 San Francisco Set, and the first one available individually since 1992. Although we still call the Congratulations Set a "set", it is of course just a single coin, I guess the OGP makes it a "set". It sounds very much like the experience we all had last year, the mint sold out of them in 2 minutes. So it was pretty hyped up. Sales code 17RF.
The San Francisco proof was also in the Limited Edition Silver Proof Set and also was bought up rapidly. Sales code 17RC.
So that's about it. The extra pictures I posted of the 2014 and 2017 was an OGP oddity I discovered when doing the pictures this evening. Note on the 2014, the last year of the old style OGP, where the coins were all sealed in one plastic slab. The bottom box has the fabric strap to make it easier to pull the slab out of the box. So this was the same after the mint changed the OGP so the coins were all individually encapsulated. So what, right? If you use the strap to flip the slab over on a 2016 or newer, there is nothing back there, just a plain black panel. So I just thought it was odd they left that strap there. You can just pull the coins out individually to look at the reverse if you want to.











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 Posted 05/29/2023  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For my update/follow-up to this report. The strap oddity, I still have to look to see when they deleted the strap on the box, it's so weird they kept it there.
I never have got the firm number on bullion production.
The total I have is 18,065,500. The breakdown is 13,065,500 West Point, 3M San Fransisco, 1M Philly, which leaves a 1M discrepancy.
2017W Proof they made 400,287 and initial price of $55.95. This was the first year as far as I'm aware of the bulk packs, and these were initially 42 coin packs, they are currently 40 coin. These are the trays of coins in the capsule, no clam shell but they did come with COAs for each coin.
2017W Uncirculated, production 176,739, cost was $44.95.
The 2017S Proof I do not list in my report as a separate item, because they were only in those 2 sets (Congrats and Limited Edition set). After 2017 it's odd they don't appear in sets, just individually, the exception is they have been in all the Limited Edition Sets since 2017. But 2018 is when the W and S Proofs have been available every year since then.
2017 Limited Edition Silver Proof Set production was 48,901 and cost $139.95
2017 Congratulations Set production 74,898 and cost $54.95
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 Posted 05/29/2023  7:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checked my collection. The strap on the bottom of the box in the Limited Edition Silver Proof Set continued until 2020. In 2021 the OGP changed fairly dramatically, in keeping with the general cheapening if USM OGP and the strap was (finally) gone.
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 Posted 06/04/2023  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gilly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well hopefully I got the pictures all right.

I had my "heavy hitters" out, it's been awhile since I've had them out, just checking the condition.
These are the tough ones for any OGP ASE collector.
There are others that are just hard to find, but not hard to afford. Just a lot of searching. One other is the 2006 2 coin set, due to the ounce of gold.
That Philadelphia Set always looks like that. Sometimes worse.
Best explanation I've heard is it's caused by the green pigment in the cardboard.












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 Posted 06/05/2023  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting!

The Philly and 10th Anniversary proof bullion set packages look similar to the ones were used for the Prestige proof sets.
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