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Was An Insect Squished Inside This Dime When Is Was Struck? (1984 P)

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 Posted 09/13/2023  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am sorry Bobby, the OP never post a photo about another Dime him posted on E-Bay. So what you post photos I answer and for OP if I do not see the new find Dime I can not say something. I do not check what forum members post on different sites. Why I will do?

You post those photos of coins on which the cooper shrink and I wrote:


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Is not acid on 100% and I will made more tests and studies on this kind of anomaly. For me from the point of view molecular it is interesting that the Cu free anions after strike in some conditions migrate to some solute or elements. I will involve also others scientific guys to find exact. But I think it is the point 1.


Do not worry the study will be done to know why this effect happened and in what conditions. Do not expect such study will be done in a day or one week. I have a few example of glad coins and I ask also cents before 1982. I will put also on the DSX to see what we find and analyze.

So me I answer to the OP. To you I do not have yet the answer. The folks always say acid, so till the study will be finish take acid. As per I wrote now I have 3 Scientifics who will collaborate: me in Canada and them in US east and west cost. So 4 different mind with different approaches and test will give you the clock answer.

Ones the study is complete I will send to Mike.
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 Posted 09/13/2023  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dude, I literally screenshotted it where you said it. Just knock it off for crying out loud.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I had a roll of BU CTD quarters here. I ordered some hydrochloric acid and dropped one in...

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Here it is 48 hours later...






I dropped it back in just in case there are naysayers that still think acid doesn't eat the copper.



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 Posted 09/18/2023  12:58 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice experiment, Bobby! I was thinking about trying something similar, but didn't know where to get strong enough acid.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a note if anyone wants to do this, it creates a gas in the jar, I took it outside to open it and a cloud came out. Strong reaction to the copper.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great experiment Bobby!
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 Posted 09/18/2023  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Just a note if anyone wants to do this, it creates a gas in the jar, I took it outside to open it and a cloud came out. Strong reaction to the copper.
An important warning.

I call this test a success.

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 Posted 09/18/2023  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! A little real-world proof is what was needed here!
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 Posted 09/18/2023  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cujohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Didn't need proof, as you say there was proof in posts from the last 10 years that proved it. Nice experiment. And yes the fumes with acid are nasty.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  6:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The gas given off when acid reacts with metal is hydrogen gas.

The typical chemical reaction would be (and this is the equation for hydrochloric acid, but any other acid could be substituted there):

Cu (metal ) + 2 HCl (acid) --> CuCl2 (green dissolved salt) + H2 (gas)

The visible "cloud" is water vapour, as the water is heated and aerosolised by the bubbling hydrogen. But it's the hydrogen that's potentially dangerous - it's not toxic, but flammable if exposed to an ignition source.

Note that for copper versus acid, it doesn't really need to be a strong acid to produce this reaction (and create the acid-eaten coin seen here). Vinegar, lemon juice or coca-cola will all do much the same thing - it just takes slightly longer time.

Yes, both the cupronickel alloy and the pure copper will react with the acid - but the copper reacts faster, creating the acid-eaten-core effect.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalzoneManiac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The edge on the acid dipped coins kinda reminds me of that security edge I've seen on older Indian 5 rupees coins and a host of other foreign coins.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Note that for copper versus acid, it doesn't really need to be a strong acid to produce this reaction (and create the acid-eaten coin seen here). Vinegar, lemon juice or coca-cola will all do much the same thing - it just takes slightly longer time.


Exactly what I've been telling Silviosi and he keeps referencing studies that he says prove me wrong. I don't even bother to read them because I know either they are wrong or he's interpreting them wrong. I too have pulled these copper-eaten coins out of car cupholders. This is coin collecting 101 for even fairly novice collectors.
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 Posted 09/18/2023  9:24 pm  Show Profile   Check rggoodie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rggoodie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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