|
This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.
Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!
To participate in the forum you must log in or register. Author |
Replies: 31 / Views: 1,686 |
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Post #9:Who Needs Silver When There's Nickel And Paper
or
Rumble Of WarThe direct effects of World War 2 reached Indochina in the summer of 1940 (see Note 1), but already during 1938-39 the country was affected by the ongoing Sino-Japanese War. France unofficially supported the Chinese government, by permitting transportation of war material from Burma across Indochina over the Yunnan railway (see post #4). Japan threatened to take military action against that, threats that were not realized until 1940. One of the bridges on the Yunnan railway.Source: alasweb.free.frAs described in a previous post, France took successive steps to abandon silver coinage during the 1930s. The last silver fractions - 10 cents and 20 cents - were minted in 1937, and they were hoarded by the population, sensitive as people always are to unrest and an uncertain future. 20 centièmes, French Indochina, 1939. Copper-nickel, 6.08 g, 24 mm.  The need for the smaller denominations was still there, of course. A new design for the 10 cent and 20 cent coins was issued in 1939, in nickel and copper-nickel. It shows a more modern looking Marianne, holding olive branches and carrying a brooch with a lion's head. The lion is one of the symbols used by the French Republic and is probably meant to signify the strength and courage of the French people. A lion was also used by the Vietnamese imperial Nguyen dynasty, which still ruled (although only nominally since the French takeover). Which interpretation the locals made is uncertain. A safe card though is the reverse: rice, still the most important produce and a symbol for wealth. 10 centièmes banknote, French Indochina, 1939. 105 x 54 mm.   In addition 10 c, 20 c, and 50 c banknotes were issued. Interestingly, the text stated they were exchangeable into specie, without being more specific than that that could be done "in Indochina". Unlike regular banknotes, these emergency notes were not issued by the Bank of Indochina, but by the Indochinese Treasury under the control of the local Indochinese government ( Gouvernement Général de l'Indochine). To what extent and under what conditions they could in actuality be exchanged into coins I do not know. They do have a rather elaborate design, with dancers, pagodas, temple statues, elephants, and market activities. The reverse also shows the denomination in Khmer, Chinese, Laotian and Vietnamese, plus the usual threats about perpetual punitive work for any forgers. Next timeWe quickly skip over World War 2 - no high denomination coins were minted during the war (go see the small change thread for what happened at that end) - and look at the post-war monetary world. NotesNote 1: When World War 2 began in Sept 1939, French troops in Indochina were withdrawn to France. That left Indochina open to Japanese advancements, and in August 1940 (when France was occupied by Germany) Japanese troops entered Tonkin. See Note 2 in post #9 of my small change thread for a more complete timeline of events.
Edited by erafjel 05/13/2023 05:55 am
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2560 Posts |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1832 Posts |
A) This is a wonderful post, erafjel... kudos. Have you visited Vietnam, et al?
B) That 1907 posted above is iffy (1895 is good). Absolutely needs to be noted that fakes of these abound.
C) Opium dens and (certainly for the time) the significant documentation/recording thereof are fascinating.
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Thank you for the contributions, @Arkie! Quote: This is a wonderful post, erafjel... kudos. Have you visited Vietnam, et al? Thank you, @realeswatcher! No, I have not visited Vietnam or any other country around there. I do feel an urge to do so, however, after my monetary studies led me to learn more about this fascinating part of Asia. We'll see. 
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Post #10:Going Full Fiat
or
Cracks In The EmpireThe last regular silver coins were minted in 1937. During World War 2, Indochina was under Japanese control. Minting was restricted to small denominations under the control of the French Vichy regime ( État Français, "French State"), which by Japan was allowed to keep a nominal authority over Indochina, although real control was in their hands. You can read more about the war coin emissions in post #9 in the small change thread. 50 centièmes, French Indochina, 1946. Copper-nickel, 12.6 g, 29 mm.  After the war, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos declared their independence in 1945. France did not accept that, leading to the Indochinese War between France and Viet Minh and its allies. France resumed control over the Indochinese states, with Viet Minh et al continuing guerilla warfare. In parallel, France reorganized its cracking colonial empire into the "French Union" ( Union Française) and French Indochina became the Indochinese Federation. The two coins shown above and below illustrate when the change happened: The 50 c piece from 1946 still carries the old designations and the 1 piastre from one year later carries the new. 1 piastre, French Indochina, 1947. Copper-nickel, 18.5 g, 35 mm.  Now, after the war, silver was completely out. While many countries reduced the silver content of most of their coins, France went all the way and scrapped silver altogether (it came back later, but that is another story). Post war French coins had no intrinsic value, being made of aluminium or copper alloys. The franc had lost considerably in value during the war, and while in 1939 (when the last French silver coins were minted), 1 franc would buy 2 g of silver, in 1946 it would buy less than 1/5 of that. The piastre was still tied to the franc (see Note 1), so the same applied to it. Both the 50 c and 1 piastre coins are made of copper-nickel (stated as bronze de nickel on the 50 c piece, so that no one should be led to believe that it is of silver like the pre-war coin with exactly the same design). The 1 piastre has the new design devised for the 1939 fractional issues of 10 cent and 20 cent coins. It is about the same size as the 1931 piastre coin. (The olive branches held by Marianne may have seemed right as a peace symbol after World War 2, but didn't quite fit with the turn of events.) It is uncertain to which extent these coins actually circulated, even though the mintages were large: 32 million resp. 60 million. The large mintage is perhaps an expression of a "keep calm and carry on" mentality that the French held, or tried to make it look like they held, in the violent turmoil that followed on the attempts to hold the French colonial empire together, in one form or another. Next timeThere are still a few more years of French presence to deal with, following the war. That I will do in my next post, which will be the final one in the story of the Indochinese piastre. NotesNote 1: The fixed exchange rate was changed in 1945, from the pre-war 10 francs/piastre to 17 francs/piastre. That resulted in an overvaluation of the piastre which triggered a speculation wave I will write about in my next post.
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Post #11:The Fall Of The Piastre
or
The Dawn Of The Dông100 piastres, French Indochina, 1954 (Vietnam issue). 171 x 108 mm.   The Indochinese War lasted until 1954. Then the French were defeated and left Indochina after nearly 100 years. No more coins were minted after 1947 but banknotes were still issued. The last series was issued in 1954 and consisted of 100 piastres and 200 piastres notes. The 100 piastres note was issued with different reverses for Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The common obverse shows three women, in traditional dresses from the three countries. The Vietnamese reverse - shown above - features Bao Dai, former emperor and at this time Chief of State of Vietnam. The banknotes are issued by The Issuing Institute of the States of Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam, which had replaced the traditional Indochinese Bank. It is a rather nice banknote. The water mark by the way, is a tiger's head. The Indochinese tiger is today almost extinct. The piastre trafficThere is one last story about the Indochinese piastre that is worth telling. As briefly mentioned in my previous post, the piastre was revalued to a fixed value of 17 French francs after World War 2. The idea was to strengthen the Indochinese piastre after it had been drawn down with the devalued franc. It turned out to be an artificial strengthening that didn't quite work, because the street price for an Indochinese piastre stayed at around 8.50 francs. That imbalance led to a speculation wave which became known as the piastre traffic (trafic des piastres). This is how it worked: A large amount of piastres was acquired in Indochina, at 8.50 francs each. They were then transferred to France, where they could be exchanged for 17 francs each. The francs were brought back to Indochina - sometimes via exchange into US dollars or Swiss francs to hide the transaction - and there they were used to buy piastres again, now twice as many as the first time. Back to France again, and - yeah, you get it. In a few weeks a capital could be multiplied many times over, without any actual export or import or anything of real value being performed. That kind of fake transactions was of course not the intention with the revaluation, and to control the in- and outflow of piastres, export and import permits were required. Permits were provided by Office Indochinois des Changes (OIC) in Saigon. The OIC officials became very popular and were treated with money, liquor, girls and whatever they wanted, and permits flowed out of the office. To launder the money, low valued and useless stuff like outdated school books and unusable cement was imported into Indochina, but invoiced at ridiculously high sums. Outright bogus invoices were also plentiful. The piastre traffic could of course not be kept secret, and the press began to write about it and how it drained the French treasury of billions. But too many profited, high officials and politicians included, as well as the French forces in Indochina (who had a special permit), so the traffic continued for years. It was not until it became clear that also Viet Minh used the traffic to finance their resistance against the French, that action was taken. The piastre was devalued to 10 francs in 1953. North Vietnam1 dông, North Vietnam, 1946. Aluminium, 4.6 g, 33 mm.  In the mean time, Viet Minh established a state in the north - the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, commonly called North Vietnam. Early on, North Vietnam minted its own coins. The currency was (and still is) named dông (see Note 1), which is the Vietnamese translation of piastre (see Note 2). The coin above is the first 1 dông coin, issued in 1946. It is made of aluminium and weighs just around 4.8 g. The text on the obverse means Democratic Republic of Vietnam. Officially, the dông was at par with the piastre. In reality, one piastre cost at least 40-50 dông and inflation was very high. It is interesting to compare it with the last French Indochinese 1 piastre, issued at the same time (shown in my previous post). Nearly the same size (33 mm vs 35 mm) but much lighter (4.8 g vs 18 g). The compositions are very similar: Profile turned right (Ho Chi Minh vs Marianne) on the obverse, rice stalks and denomination on the reverse. There are also differences: While Marianne is draped in national symbols - Phrygian cap, olive branch, lion brooch - Mr Ho is a completely undecorated profile. A logical choice maybe, for a new state that wants to dispose of all that reminds of colonialism and empire. France and Viet Minh did not share views on much, but on how to use imagery on coins they at least agreed to some extent. And with that concluding remark, I end my posts in this thread, at least as far as posting coins and banknotes. I am happy to (try to) answer any questions you might have. And, of course, if you have something to show related to this, please go ahead and post! NotesNote 1: As seen on the coin and banknote in this post, the word dông has additional diacritics, but they cannot be shown here. That is the case for several Vietnamese words used in this thread. Note 2: Dông is not a direct translation of piastre (which is derived from Italian piastra, meaning plate). The literal meaning of dông is copper, but it does also refer to currency in general (possibly because the traditional Vietnamese currency was copper cash coins). When the piastre became the Vietnamese/Indochinese currency, it was natural to transfer the indigenous name dông to it ("piastre" doesn't fit well into the Vietnamese sound system). A more specific name for the piastre is dông bac, where bac means silver, but that name has, to my knowledge, not been used on coins or banknotes (although the word bac shows up in other combinations).
|
Moderator
 United States
128395 Posts |
Quote: And with that concluding remark, I end my posts in this thread, at least as far as posting coins and banknotes. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. It was informative and entertaining. 
|
Valued Member
United States
125 Posts |
Thanks again for the great double series! Here is a note from the period I found for next to nothing. I believe it is signature 9 in Krause, P55b, 1936.  
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Quote: Here is a note from the period I found for next to nothing. I believe it is signature 9 in Krause, P55b, 1936. 
|
Moderator
 United States
128395 Posts |
Nice example! 
|
Valued Member
United States
125 Posts |
OK - here is the last one from me - and I am hoping it will prompt a follow up series on related Indo-China currency issues like this New Caledonia piece. FYI New Caledonia is some 4,500 miles/7300 kilometers away from Vietnam.  
|
Moderator
 United States
128395 Posts |
Excellent! 
|
Pillar of the Community
Topic Starter Sweden
1518 Posts |
Thank you for sharing that banknote, @joewobblie!  The Bank of Indochina issued banknotes not only for Indochina, but also for other French colonies, such as New Caledonia (Noumea) and French Polynesia. Many designs were shared, like the one shown, which was used also for French Indochina banknotes.
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
782 Posts |
While perusing the on-line archives of the "Journal of the Siam Society (Under Royal Patronage)" I found the most fascinating article, "The Retirement of the French Garrison from Bangkok in the Year 1688". Apparently, the last king of the Ayodhya dynasty had, in effect, appointed as Prime Minister one Constantine Phaulkon, a Greek sailor who had come to Asia aboard a British East India Company vessel. Missions from the French court attempted to establish diplomatic and trade relations with Siam, which was repeatedly frustrated by the bizarre belief of Louis XIV that he could somehow induce the Siamese king to convert to Catholicism. Anyhow, Phaulkon had allowed the French to establish a fortified trading post at Bangkok, which was an important port city then but not the capitol. When the old king died, the nobles fell to fighting amongst each other, and shortly after the country was invaded by the Burmese, which was the end of the Ayodhya dynasty. But in the interim, the French had been expelled, and a combination of shipwrecks and their land wars against the British for supremacy in India meant that they weren't able to move in on a country in chaos. When the new Bangkok dynasty coalesced after something like 100 years, great effort was expended to make sure they didn't get a foothold again.
More to the point of this post, I find the 1930 silver piastre quite beautiful, and a splendid example of the art.
|
New Member
United States
48 Posts |
That was a great summary. All that mix of politics, colonization, history, economics, etc, that makes coin collecting so interesting. I found the prices of hotels, etc., interesting. You mentioned at one point counterfeits that were barely counterfeits, insofar as the counterfeiter used silver, and only gained the value of Seigniorage that otherwise would have gone to the mint. There was a fellow in Australia who did the same with I believe Florins in the 1920's. I have been looking to get one of his coins, but supposedly they were so well done most were never detected. I learnt early that for whatever reasons the Piastre coins were heavily counterfeited, and indeed I have found a few here and there, even with dealers. Too bad as it discouraged me from buying up the coins, which do not sell at too much of a premium to melt value. I wonder if perhaps other Trade dollars have a similar rate of fakery (that is not detected), or if indeed Piastres are outliers, why that is so.
|
|
Replies: 31 / Views: 1,686 |
|
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2023 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us | Advertise Here | Privacy Policy / Terms of Use
|
Coin Community Forum |
© 2005 - 2023 Coin Community Forums |
It took 0.45 seconds to rattle this change. |
 |
|