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The engravers of ancient coin dies did not have the benefit of enlargement lenses, yet were able to engrave readable letters a few mm high, and create recognisable portraits of, for example, roman emperors in many hundreds of iterations over many years. For example, the silver denarii of Hadrian show physical aging through his 20 year reign. These engravers must have been very special and valued members of society, yet am I right in thinking we know almost nothing about them? And were they myopic? I would be interested in any informed views on this issue, please. JumboP
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( I'm no pro, it's just my humble opinion ) Searched 6.5 +/- Million Cents Since 1971
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I don't have any information for you but I can agree that they must have been highly skilled. Consider the following coin:-  Here is an enlargement for the FOR area of the reverse legend and we can see the individual tooling marks within the letters  The fine detail work is amazing.
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Quote: And were they myopic? This is indeed one of the theories, though more for Greek than Roman coinage. As a myope myself, I certainly feel like it sounds plausible! AFAIK a few Greek types where the dies apparently included engraver signatures are known (especially from Syracuse), though it's still a rare exception and most dies were unsigned; offhand I can't think of any Roman examples, but I wouldn't say for sure that there are none. IIRC it's suspected that sometimes different people might have worked on busts and lettering on the same die. I'm not very confident though.
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Sometimes we forget how sharp our eyesight was in our youth. I assume that is at least part of the equation.
Edited by Kushanshah 05/25/2023 12:19 am
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Quote: Sometimes we forget how sharp our eyesight was in our youth. I assume that is at least part of the equation. I have to agree. I did not require glasses until I was in my mid 40s. I remember when I could clearly see the VDB on Lincoln's shoulder with my naked eye. 
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I recently stumbled upon this beauty of a Titus As. The realism of the portrait immediately attracted my attention, and I began to study the details. I was stunned! The level of skill demonstrated by the nameless artist is truly awe inspiring!  All the points of realism that have impressed me on other coins are present here...but it is one singular subtlety that really floored me. The delicate line delineating the nostril: separating the columella from nasal alae.  On a face that cannot measure too much more that 10mm!! Was this ancient engraver simply an extraordinary myopic? Or was a lens/crystal used? In the published article linked by Kamnaskires (thank you, Bob!), author Bart Lewis writes: "Perhaps the most important discovery was a Roman period magnifying lens discovered in 1854 in the "House of the Engraver" on the Stabian Way in Pompeii."
"I personally feel it is most unrealistic to assume that during the first millennium BC no one would have looked through a lens or polished gem at a small object and not noticed its magnifying properties. Rather, it is far more reasonable to assume that the practical use of such an image magnifier was simply not generally appreciated or written about."
"So perhaps we will never be able to prove conclusively that the ancients used lenses, especially in any commercial endeavor, for their magnifying properties. But my denarii say they did." (Page 41 of the November 1997 edition of The Celator)
When these coins speak...perhaps it is wise to listen.
"I warn you, gentlemen, I'm not to be trifled with. To pull the tail of a lion is to open the mouth of trouble and reveal the teeth of revenge biting the tongue of deceit!" --- Duke d'Escargot
Edited by circusmax120 06/29/2023 12:53 pm
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Yep, that's skillful work there. Titus - and Vespasian too - had such great profiles - and this particular die engraver did justice to Titus' profile. I would love to have drawn either one of them from life.
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Ahhh yes...indeed, Bob. My nerves would no doubt cause my hand to shake! The trick, you see, is to draw an emperor from life...and manage to keep your own.
"I warn you, gentlemen, I'm not to be trifled with. To pull the tail of a lion is to open the mouth of trouble and reveal the teeth of revenge biting the tongue of deceit!" --- Duke d'Escargot
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