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Best Stapler For 2x2 Flips?

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 Posted 05/31/2023  7:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jk109e4 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I would like a stapler that sinks the staples flat into the 2x2 with little effort.
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 Posted 05/31/2023  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Max flat clinch. The full size one, not the small one. This thing is sturdy and very well constructed. Got mine off the 'bay, I think.
https://www.maxusacorp.com/office_p...pler-hd50df/
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 Posted 05/31/2023  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The harder they go in, the harder they are to get out.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  12:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up the Max Hd-11Flk (Black) Vaimo Stapler flat clinch model which is a bit more compact than the full size Max HD-50DF mentioned by Hondo so was easier to bring it with me and still equally effective. It came with 1 box of staples but can get more obviously. https://www.amazon.com/Max-Hd-11Flk.../B0088TKTO2/ Flat Clinch means it flattens the staples but actually uses smaller staples with the compact model that wont cause issues potentially like normal ones. Either that one or the full size is fine, I just preferred using the lighter compact model after trying both for awhile.

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 Posted 06/01/2023  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Check Dearborn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for the report on these. It has taken me a long time and several standard staplers the will insert the staples through a 2x2 without the staple failing to penetrate and just binding up. I want a flat cinch so It is not a 2 step process.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Max flat clinch works like a charm. No problem going through Cowen's 2X2s, and no need to mash staple ends anymore.
It must say something about my life that a stapler excites me.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They used to make no-staple, stick-um 2X2s. What is wrong with these?
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 Posted 06/01/2023  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hondo Boguss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog, I don't trust that the adhesive will not eventually affect the coin in the holder. Also, staples can be removed if you want to take the coin out - for photography or some other reason. Can't do that with the sticky ones.
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 Posted 06/01/2023  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Dearborn, I recommend the small one here, it uses smaller staples perfect for 2x2s, but also light which is good for those with arthritis etc, and easier to move about. I just took a photo with the stapler next to things you will recognize like my scale, 2x2s and saflips to compare size easier of the smaller one since its so compact. The stapler uses #11 staples which, according to the box, have a crown of 3/8" and a leg of 1/4" (or 10.4 mm by 6 mm). PS They don't smash staples either. Been going through some change so grabbed some supplies out of storage.

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 Posted 06/01/2023  6:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hondo - got it, thanks!
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 Posted 06/01/2023  6:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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They used to make no-staple, stick-um 2X2s. What is wrong with these?
Coinfrog, I don't trust that the adhesive will not eventually affect the coin in the holder. Also, staples can be removed if you want to take the coin out - for photography or some other reason. Can't do that with the sticky ones.


After testing, I can recommend the supersafe self seal flips in different sizes. Littleton had decent prices on them suprisingly but can shop around. https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/...dime-sm-1-wc The assorted set is here just to try it out with different size coins https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/...rted-sm-a-wc

I still prefer regular 2x2s with this staplers small flat clinch staples. Those can easily be cut off with scissors to reopen. The self adhesive can also be opened and wont interfere with the coin but at the higher price per flip (although not if you take into account the stapler) and the potential for the seal to lessen over time causing issue with the coin potentially if it slides or touches the sealer, its probably best just to stick with the tried and true imo.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  01:10 am  Show Profile   Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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It must say something about my life that a stapler excites me.


That would have me until I too bought a Max HD-50F stapler and now I also feel the same as Dearborn. I had the little tiny stapler datadragon showed, hate it, as it's very hard on the hands and I couldn't get comfortable after more than a dozen or so 2x2's stapled once I got the larger sized stapler, I can go for an hour or so. I keep the small stapler as I can use it on the road/flight when space is an issue like traveling to a coin show.

Though for my British Provincial tokens, I must say I switched to cotton liner 2x2 in kraft/colored envelopes. I like the security they have with moisture, living in a high humidity area now. Haven't had any issue with my Two Cent Pieces in the 2x2 Mylars but I also keep them in boxes, Tupperware with desiccant packs, as well as check on them regularly. Still have most of my VAMs in 2x2 Mylars as well (if they're not slabbed), no issues after 15 years.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried the adhesive type way back in my early days. When I botched the lettering on one (wrote the wrong date by mistake), I found it almost impossible to open it up to get the coin out. By the time I messed up the third or fourth one, I gave up on them.

I want to say I tossed out the remaining supply, but I tend to hold on to things; I would not be surprised if I found them packed away in storage.
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 Posted 06/02/2023  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your added feedback Westcoin. Sorry you found it to not work as well for you in all occasions and needed two staplers. I don't find the smaller to be any issue in usage or hard on the hands as it uses the thumb to push down lightly, and being both more transportable rather than stay in one place and having the smaller width staples in comparison to the larger model seemed to work better for 2x2s to avoid issues with coins is what I mostly found more beneficial, while still able to do regular stapling here and there. I can imagine if you do a ton of regular stapling more than for coin 2x2s the full size might work better in those cases with the full size staples. I heard about this stapler around 10 years ago, there was a video also from 12 years ago below.

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I found it almost impossible to open it up to get the coin out.

Jbuck raises an important issue and also where I think most of the damage on coins with staples comes from - while removing them from 2x2 stapled Mylar holders. Most people tend to pull them apart leaving the staples sticking out where they can easily scratch a coin as it is slid out of from between the Mylar sides. Some will try to remove the staples or at least one or two of the three staples to slide the coin out though one side, while this is fine and it removes the pointy sharp staple sticking out towards the face of the coin, it poses another issue, slipping with the tool you are using to pry the staple out with, the tool (small flat head screwdriver usually) can slip and gouge the coin making an even worse problem than a small staple scratch would cause. I think I found the best way to remove the coin from an old 2x2 Mylar holder leaving very little chance of damage to the coin if done with care and slowly. I use a razor blade or an x-acto knife to very carefully cut around the Mylar on one side about half of the hole, then over a velvet pad or soft towel just push the coin out from the other side. Not to say I suppose you could damage the coin with the blade if not careful, just go slow and if you do happen to touch the coin with it you should only contact the edge and not the main surface side. Of course the 2x2 Mylar holder is now trash and unusable, I don't care as I don't re-use them anyway.

Some older holders I photographed after removing coins, when I figured out my x-acto knife removal trick, yep I scratched one a copper/bronze Two Cent coin, which of course showed up rather obviously. You can see I had removed staples on some of them then the last few I switched to cutting the Mylar, haven't had an issue since then. I usually have around this many holders to deal with twice a month or more. Some are my own I am re-holdering after opening them for photography or ones I bought off eBay or elsewhere and need to acetone them, and make them match consistently with my other coins.


One more security tip, save up all the coin trash (old 2x2 holders and inserts, etc) in a bag, then make sure there is no identifying information that ties anything inside of it back to you or your address. Take it with you next time you go out, getting gas or coffee and dispose of it discreetly away from home in a dumpster or trash can. Leave no evidence of coin collecting in your trash at home is a good thing.
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