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Hi everyone. I have a slabbed 1890-O with a 45 degree rotated REV and a bunch of material that has been removed from the OBV and REV. I checked the VAM-8 (Rev C3e) and VAM-23 (Rev C3k) designations, and the VAM-23 seems to fit (especially with the die scratch next to the berry). I am interested in the VAM help/confirmation, but I'm most interested in thoughts on how to characterize (what I presume to be a) strike error beyond the die rotation. It looks like material has been sandpapered off both on the OBV/REV presumably when it was ejected. *** Edited by Staff to Add Denomination to Title. It's very important to have in the title. ***I'd like help identifying what happened to this coin and whether it is a rare or common occurrence, particularly on Morgans with rotated dies. Tx!     |
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Pillar of the Community
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Can you show the entire coin (both sides) as well as the slab?
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Bedrock of the Community
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full coin images, both sides would be helpful here. can't tell any rotation with provided images.
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Bedrock of the Community
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  to the CCF!
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Topic StarterUnited States
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Here are the full size images I am fairly confident of the VAM designation, I just don't know how to characterize the type of mint error on the coin. Tx everyone (and tx to the moderator - sorry about not including Morgan in the title - just typed it out too fast).   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's a heck of a coin there! The slab pic's really show the rotation! I see what you mean about the lettering and the only thing I can think of is maybe Grease Filled Dies? Looking fwd to what others have to say... smat |
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Pillar of the Community
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I think it's just a very weak strike and the "ridging" described below. David Bowers says: Quote:
Most Mint State coins are weakly struck, although there are some exceptions. Numerous poorly struck coins show microscopic "ridging" or "metal flow" in the fields, particularly near the borders. The lustre on other coins is usually frosty and attractive. Concerning striking quality, Wayne Miller wrote: "This date is a close runner-up to 1891-O in the contest for the 'Pancake of the Morgan series' title." He also mentions VAM8 being rotated 36 degrees (very specific!) here https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...-o-1/7200/65 |
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Pillar of the Community
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@kbbpll Good read Thanks!  smat |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks for the extra images, (we really like looking at coins, so seeing full coin images is a good thing to post up as well That does have a very nice rotated die I don't have a gauge, but it looks to be about 30 degrees CW. |
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Topic StarterUnited States
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I appreciate the help everyone. @kbbpll - the defect I am seeing could be the result of a weak strike indeed. When I look at the coin (and perhaps it does not show well in the photos that I posted) it looks as if material has been removed - on both the OBV and REV (rubbing, not necessarily ridging). The feathers on the eagle aren't too poorly struck/weak as well as details in the hair (especially the hair above the ear). I would have expected the strike to be generally weak to look this challenged near the rim?
Can anyone point me to an example of what ridging looks like so I can compare?
[FWIW, I calculated the rotation to be around 28-30 degrees[.
Still very much a noob and learning.
Tx!
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Bedrock of the Community
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That photo of the slab certainly doesn't do justice to it.
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06/05/2023 6:19 pm
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Posted 06/02/2023 6:20 pm
My Dansco 7181,7182 Uncirculated American Silver Eagle Albums - 1986 to Present 
