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 Posted 06/03/2023  3:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Do any of you Peace dollar experts know if the reverse of the 1921 with 4 rays below the ONE was modified and used to produce the 1935S with 4 rays reverse? Those are the only two dates of the series to exhibit the 4 rays reverse. Or was it a completely different reverse die used for the 1935S?
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 Posted 06/03/2023  10:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1921 reverse die was only used for that year. Below are some of the 1921 reverse differences from the later designs:

1) Higher relief
2) Less curved eagle's beak
3) Earlier division of branch at eagle's feet
4) Eagles right ankle thinner
5) Eagle's left ankle showing
6) Mountain ranges different
7) Four rays below the one
8) Eight rays below eagle's tail vs six.
9) Twenty one rays below eagle's wing vs 19 1/2.

The 4 ray 1935 S reverse uses the same design that was used from 1922 to 1935P and some 1935 S. The 1935 S 4 ray changes are as follows:
1) Added forth ray below the one
2) Added seventh ray below eagle's tail.




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 Posted 06/04/2023  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Odd that they would tweak the design for the last year of issue, and only for SF. If, as stated below, both types had roughly equal mintage, with 1,964,000 minted and probably 100-200k per die, 5-10 dies were made with that design.

David Bowers via PCGS https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin/1935-s-1/7379

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A new reverse: Two reverse varieties exist for 1935-S. The first is the standard, as used from 1922 onward, with three rays below ONE on the reverse. The second, a new die with four rays, apparently was discovered by a Mr. Berghli of San Diego, California, and was first publicized by Thomas W. Voetter in the October 1940 issue of The Numismatist. This four-rays die was used only in 1935 at the San Francisco Mint. Although both varieties are mentioned in a footnote in the Guide Book listing for 1935-S, and are occasionally noted in dealers' listings, very few collectors have aspired to own one of each. It is believed that both are of about equal availability.
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Interesting, back in 1940 they speculated a similar thing, that dies from 1922 were saved by SF. 13 years seems like a long time for them to sit unused though, and I have no idea if there are 1922 coins that are similar to the 1935-S "Die X" ones. The speculation comes straight from the Chief Engraver. I guess it's possible that any dies made from Die X were never used except the ones ending up in SF for the 1935-S production.

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 Posted 06/07/2023  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The author of A Guide Book of Peace dollars says this happened in 1935, but otherwise seems to be the same theory as the 1940 article, except it wasn't 1922. He says new master hubs were created in 1934 and so 1934 and 1935 dollars are distinctly different than the 1922 low relief. I don't know what the differences are but I'll take his word for it. VAMWorld says there are reverses Ca, Cb and Cc with the 4 rays for 1935-S. Cb has doubling in the olive branch area and Cc has doubling in the 4 rays but not the olive branches. This indicates pressing irregularities and thus a re-engraved master die that then created a working hub and then at least 3 SF working dies. Why Sinnock added a 4th ray is a mystery, as is why dies with that feature only made it to SF.
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