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2014-P Jefferson Nickel With Machine Doubling?

 
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 Posted 06/04/2023  7:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Bear with me, I am learning how to diagnose Machine Doubling and other phenomena. Are these letters thinning, which produces a shelf?

Edit: sorry for the image overload, got a little carried away. Removed all the redundant stuff, added a few cropped and normalized pictures.






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 Posted 06/04/2023  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, I've just learned on a different thread that people would prefer if all the letters were rotated upright. Apologies for not doing that on this thread. Next time I will rotate everything vertical, regardless of the coin and camera orientation from the original picture.
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 Posted 06/04/2023  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's try that. Deleted most of the distracting pics.

Where I think there is Machine Doubling is the straight leg of the R (right side), the right side of the I, the post of the P (right side), the post of the B (right side). Most of all along the top of Pluribus.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Brandmeister,
Going to need to work on your photos. What are you using to take pics? Photos need to be in focus with no glare. Crop up to the coin, we do not need to see the background. Properly rotating pics is helpful also. The better the photos you post the better we can help you. Always start out with 4 photos, one full coin pic obverse and one full coin pic reverse as well as one or two close ups where and when needed. If we need more, we will kindly ask.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  08:03 am  Show Profile   Check Dearborn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it 'could be MD, but what I think is that since we are looking at 3D letters on a flat field, we see the top corner of the letter as it turns down to the fields and then the bottom corner where it flattens out onto the fields. The area in between is just the side of the letters. (think of a large mesa when looking at it from almost directly above). I'll try to draw an example, give me a few to do this.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  08:18 am  Show Profile   Check Dearborn's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, hope this works -
the blue arrow would indicate the very top of the letters. (dark yellow)
the red would be the slope down to the fields (bright yellow)
the green arrow will be where the letter transitions from the letter to the fields.
I think that the reason we see the 2 transitions better than the slope is due to the lighting and how it highlights the transitions.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
John, I have a little $8 magnifier for my iPad camera. Nothing fancy. I will try to take some better pictures. It's entirely possible that I was photographing glare on the side of the letters, as Dearborn suggests. I will make another attempt at lunchtime.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have a cell phone: http://goccf.com/t/422658
You need to have a handheld loupe 10x or 12x power.Something like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/380933684594
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 Posted 06/05/2023  11:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about a loupe, but the magnifier seemed better because it allows me to take digital pictures to post here.

I am going to set that nickel aside for now. I think the featuresóreal or imaginedóare just too small for my current equipment.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cointree to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I see what you are seeing, and to me it looks like minor MD and possibly some minor DDD also. Is this what you are referring to (your photo)?



I think that is pretty typical shelf looking MD with possibly some DDD adding to the effect. Nothing unusual but good to know for future reference.
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 Posted 06/05/2023  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, precisely. That's what I'm seeing.
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