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I'm hoping for some guidance on identifying/authenticating the coin in attached pics..1870-s USA Seated Liberty 1 dollar Providence unknown and whilst to my untrained eye it seems like a authentic and extremely rare coin of which there are only a dozen or so known to exist but does China counterfeit these also like other rare and valuable coins I've been reading about on this forum? How are they distinguished from a genuine minted coin? Advice for best way to have it authenticated in australia ? Thank you in advance    |
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 United States
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 Not my area but a member in the know will be along soon. John1 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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To me it looks like a cast copy. Abnormal blotch of casting right of the date by the rim, and an overall mushy look to her.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Copy/fake. MM is in the wrong position.
Edited by Coinfrog
10/15/2023 1:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yup. I only see one MM position on these and that ain't it. The date looks wrong as well. Other possibilities are an added MM or sandwiched coin, but I think it's a straight-up fake.
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Pillar of the Community
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Copy/fake. MM is in the wrong position. That's what I noticed as well, immediately. The top surface of the lettering looks "bubbly" as well. AKA cast fake.
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Pillar of the Community
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With a mintage of only 15 for this date, the odds of finding a genuine example would be almost impossible and worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Considering the mushy cast appearance, the denticles, the mintmark position and the over 1/2 gram underweight for its condition, I have to concur with the others that this is fake.
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New Member
 Australia
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Thank you to everyone who has thus far replied! Now it's been pointed out it seems obvious !! So for future people wondering this very same question I'm adding 2 more pics now with side by side comparison view highlighting exactly what you guys kindly pointed out . I think the case is closed on this issue.   |
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United States
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Edge images would be interesting as well!
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10/15/2023 9:50 pm
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United States
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As you've stated, with only a dozen or so known, the safe bet is that all are graded. And yes, those in China fake anything for a profit. So understanding these two things alone I'm 99.99% confident this is a counterfeit.
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Bedrock of the Community
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to the CCF Pleased to see that you have been given some solid advice from our experts. 
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With a mintage of only 15 for this date, the odds of finding a genuine example would be almost impossible and worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The latest sale was in May for just under $1.1 million. 
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11/20/2023 4:16 pm
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