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Looking through my coins and noticed the ICCS certification number is off Centered on one. Then noticed it said Double 4. Dumb, but I always assumed they were the DD variety, questioning it now. Any opinions on the off Centered reference number and double 4?  *** Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. *** |
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We are unable to zoom in on those pics.
Please post other clearer close up pics.
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Yes agreed much to far away for older individuals to see  |
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@ cerebus At 200 zoom these old eyes can read the information on the certification insert, but cannot focus on the coins to determine or help with anything.  Edited by Sharks
11/22/2023 1:35 pm
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, cerebus. I hear you cerebus. It's only off centre because the person typing it onto the certificate missed a couple of space bar taps. No added value from my end.
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11/22/2023 6:56 pm
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Thx for all replies! I didn't explain my concerns accurately, will give more detail.
I'm concerned the coins may be fake ICCS holders.
The Newfoundland 1941 1 cent has a DD variety, which is what I thought my 2 coins were.
Both of mine say "Double 4". I can't find any similar ICCS certified coins with the same comments. The off centre certification number made me even more suspicious! I also can't see any doubling of the 4 now that I scrutinize them harder.
I know the pics are terrible, was focusing on showing the comments and cert #. Will try and add better.
Appreciate any feedback.
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"Double 4" is listed on coinsandcanada. If I search for "ICCS 1941 double 4" I see three coins on ebay and Toronto Coin Shop designated by ICCS as double 4 or double 41. I have no idea what the differences are but it seems to be a legitimate designation. |
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The doubled 1941 cents were caused by Machine Doubling, not doubled dies. It started with the 4, then involved the 41 and later looked like this.  http://www.victoriancent.com2011 Fred Bowman Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner
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Thx a lot for the replies! I have been collecting Newfoundland coins a long time but do not know much besides basics listed in coin guides. I could not find a specific 1941 double 4 listed on the Toronto site, double 41 was there which I assume you were referring to. I did find 1 on ebay after, thx, please send me the other examples you found for my own learning. The coins and Canada guide I'm looking at only shows a 1941 double die as a different variety. Not questioning your guys opinions. I'm just confused and trying to learn! |
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You have to be careful about taking the info in CaC as the God's truth. They are submissions by collectors such as yourself who name any anomolies themselves. Some are varieties, but more than a few are PMD's. Some of the info is reliable, but some is not. The photos (if good) provide a nice resource. |
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The 1941 has 9 varieties according to Barry Borselino.
A Narrow Date variety (with 8 variations) and a Wide Date variety.
In the Narrow date variety the numbers 4 1 are closer together than on the Wide Date variety in which the 1 is much closer to the A in Newfoundland. Also quite noticeable is that the C mintmark is placed much further from the T in CENT on the Wide Date variety.
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I'll show the difference The coin shown above is a narrow date 1941. The following is a Wide Date example (notice the difference in spacing between the 4 & 1.  |
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Anyone else have a Wide 41 version?
Love to see another example...
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