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Advice - Feuchtwanger 1837

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 Posted 01/13/2024  4:55 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add PaulyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all...looking for some advice.

Does it make sense to get this graded? If so, PCGS or NGC?

P.S all the "online grading apps" are saying its XF

P.S.S Still a newby...be gentle

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 Posted 01/13/2024  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Make sure to flatten the staples.
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 Posted 01/13/2024  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bump111 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

This looks like variety 3G. It is a R-6 token, so less common than others. Given the amount of wear (I'd say XF is reasonable, but also could dip into VF range,) the value will be borderline for grading. If you want to have it professionally attributed and protected, I suggest sending to ANACS. Otherwise, it stands fine on its own. I'm a fan of these Feuchtwanger tokens and thank you for sharing with us.
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 Posted 01/13/2024  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here's alot of nice info---https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/7628/FeuchtwangerOneCent/
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 Posted 01/13/2024  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikev50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very nice---here's 3 that I have---

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 Posted 01/14/2024  03:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would be in favor of grading with PCGS or NGC. It is a nice example of a scarcer type.

A recent article I read does a good job of spotlighting Feuchtwanger's increasing frustration at years and years of his modified and more grayish 'German Silver' composition (53% Cu, 29% Zn, 18% Ni vs. his original 60/20/20) being repeatedly rejected by the Mint as being impractical for coinage with only the most tenuous of explanations, including his pattern three-cent nickel pieces in 1864, only to see the "zincless" nickel alloys (88% Cu / 12% Ni and the comparatively harder 75% Cu/25% Ni) end up being used 20 years later thanks to Wharton's incessant and very persistent lobbying on behalf of his nickel mining interests.

It is a bit ironic that the high-nickel alloys chosen by the Mint for the new 3 cent and 5 cent nickel coinage soon after (in 1865 and 1866 respectively) were more difficult to strike and more difficult on the dies than Feuchtwanger's composition would have been - zinc is a "softer" metal than nickel (2.5 vs 4.0 Mohs hardness) but about the same as copper (also around 2.5-3.0.) In practical terms this means that Feuchtwanger's cents can be approximated to a zincless alloy of perhaps 80-85% copper / 15-20% nickel in terms of striking characteristics, so a bit harder to strike than a Flying Eagle or pre-CuNi Indian Head cent, but a bit easier to strike than the 75/25 that is still in use today.
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to the CCF

That is a nice looking example.
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 Posted 01/14/2024  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaulyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all. I just joined this forum yesterday and very much appreciate the replies and browsing around.

Cheers and thanks to you all!
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 Posted 01/14/2024  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This one seems like a good candidate for TPG slabbing.
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 Posted 01/14/2024  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this also from grandpa's collection? Between this and the Fugio you posted, I can't wait to see what else is in there!
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I'm in agreement with bump111 could go EF but probably VF (high end) 30 or 35 likely. A nice example of a neat bit of coinage history.
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 Posted 01/15/2024  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaulyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again all.

@kbbpll. Yes this is part of the grandpa's collection. I'll try to post some more of the "interesting" pieces (at least I think are interesting).

Still navigating the forum to make sure I'm posting in the right area. Wrist hasn't been slapped yet, so I think I'm doing ok :)

Keep the advice and comments coming, its all appreciated.

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I'm in favor of having it graded as well.
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From handling hundreds of coins each day, I would recommend nothing but PCGS. NGC is losing it's reputation to many collectors, and serious collectors like a PCGS slab. Liquidity and market appeal is all for PCGS. If you have many coins to submit, the price will be a lower price per coin.

I'll vote VF-35.
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