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jpsned Pillar of the Community United States 2014 Posts	Posted 02/19/2024 08:27 am Real or fake? Fake. Value? About a plugged nickel. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17836 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 12:12 am My apologies for reviving and old thread. Quote: As others have mentioned, there are many, many, many reasons why this is an obvious fake. But as a PSA to others, my first advice is always the same: Look at the rims --- no draped bust coin can have a raised rim! Except the 1804 dollar, Quote: The rim is formed by a closed collar strike, which was not introduced until 1827/1828. Tons of fakes have a rim like this, and it is a dead giveaway that it is not genuine. The 1804 dollars were struck in 1834 and later in 1858 and they WERE struck in close collars. (But the coin in this thread IS fake,) Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 10945 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 12:57 am This is true. Below is the Stickney specimen Class I 1804 dollar struck in 1834. It clearly has an upset rim struck in a closed collar. These differ from the coins struck at the Mint through 1804. Mint records show that 19,570 1804 dollars were struck, but historians believe that the Mint records refer to coins minted in that year, regardless of the date struck onto those coins. That record is believed to refer to business strikes dated 1803, struck in 1804. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS My coin e-commerce website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 162571 Posts	Posted 04/18/2025 10:40 am Quote: My apologies for reviving and old thread. Never a problem when value is added. Coin Collector Since 1978 My Avatar My Old Avatar My 7070 My Eisenhower Dollars CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
thq Pillar of the Community United States 3247 Posts	Posted 04/25/2025 2:37 pm I had an epiphany this morning and realized that in 1804 the US had emptied its Treasury on a downpayment to buy Louisiana. They would have spent $10 million just to get New Orleans, but Iowa and Missouri (and a few others) were thrown in for an extra $5 million. There was no silver left to make dollars. It took till 1823 to pay off the 6% bonds. I also saw another expensive bad fake. As the seller says, iconic and no returns. https://www.ebay.com/itm/3166448124...+hair+dollar "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire Edited by thq 04/25/2025 2:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 162571 Posts	Posted 04/25/2025 2:54 pm Quote: I had an epiphany this morning and realized that in 1804 the US had emptied its Treasury on a downpayment to buy Louisiana. They would have spent $10 million just to get New Orleans, but Iowa and Missouri (and a few others) were thrown in for an extra $5 million. There was no silver left to make dollars. It took till 1823 to pay off the 6% bonds. Very interesting. Coin Collector Since 1978 My Avatar My Old Avatar My 7070 My Eisenhower Dollars CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
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