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If you have a coin that is in pretty good condition on one side, but fairly poor condition on the other side...How does it grade out? At the worse side's grade or at a kind of average of the two side's grades?

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Obverse = AU55
Reverse = G3
Total grade = ?
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 Posted 10/22/2024  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From PCGS website:


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A split grade may be assigned when there are significant differences in the obverse grade and reverse grade of the same coin. Split grades are normally denoted with a dual grade in obverse/reverse format. For example, a coin with a split grade of F/VF would have an obverse grading Fine (F) and a reverse grading Very Fine (VF). Typically, coins with a split grade are valued at the level of their lowest grade, whether obverse or reverse.


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Yes, what Spence says...
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Split grade -- interesting stuff, but then valued (generally) at the lower grade. Not the expected outcome but very cool!
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Quote:
Obverse = AU55
Reverse = G3

I strongly suspect that a coin with such extreme disparity in obverse and reverse grades will not be gradable by the TPGs, as this can hardly be considered "natural wear". It would probably be bodybagged for "altered surfaces".

But in terms of a less extreme theoretical example (say, EF-45/40) the general rule of thumb is that most of the emphasis on grading is placed on the obverse. So that EF-45/40 coin (where it's the obverse that's 45) would net grade to EF-45. At least, this was the rule of thumb back in the mid-1980s when split grading was all the rage.
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Spence nailed it. Good information.
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Very difficult to generalize on a question like this.
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I was always taught that the reverse can only hurt the overall grade, never improve it.
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A coin showing that kind of difference would be considered damaged. Coins don't naturally wear like that. Typically, the obverse and reverse are within +/- 5 points of each other on a normal, worn coin.
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I've got a 1798 large cent that is about AG-3 or G-4 on the obverse and about VF-20 on the reverse. I'll post pics tomorrow, when I'm off work and see what you guys think.
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Here she is:




What do you guys think?
Still any inherent value?
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early coppers are looked at a little different due to striking issues at that time. this is a pretty nice 98. there are several varieties and without spending a lot of time I'm not sure which one.

the obv is weaker than the rev. I would say G6. reverse VG10. I would net the coin at VG8 and I suspect there is a good chance it grades straight. if it grades straight maybe $300 range. maybe half that if details. if you can determine if its first or second hair type and the sheldon number that value can change. probably worth the time to research it a little.
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