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1857 Flying Eagle Just Posting To See Grade. No Scope Yet. Error OBV & Reverse Clash 50c Same Year?

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Looking for grading mostly. Clash on reverse gouge still has detail of image and different angles on obverse can see numbers,D mint mark between United States, possibly seated platform. A lot of you look hard enough. Had to drop quality too to post. Stared at it too long . lol

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First off,

A nice Flying Eagle cent which looks VF condition wise. There is a lamination peel from the T in cent into the wreath.

It is something called paridolia which is seeing things not really there, like the supposed D mint mark on it. The Denver mintmark began in 1906, so quite impossible for that to happen. Clash mark mules from other denominations definitely exist on the Flying Eagle cents, but appears like yours is not one of them, since it looks like a stain and contact marks instead.
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I'll say F-12. Looks like a lam on the reverse.



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I agree - F12. Just not enough detail for 15.
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To CCF! I'll say Fine for the grade. What you're seeing is a Lamination on the reverse, and Pareidolia.
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Here is my example of the clashed w/50c variety. This particular example was graded by NGC.

Note the distinct appearance of the lettering in MERIC that resulted from the clash.

I'd grade your coin Fine+ (F15.) It does have a probable die clash (but not with the 50c) and some die cracks; and as others have noted it has a planchet flaw (called a lamination peel or defect) on the reverse.





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I looked at the PCGS photo grade pictures and it fits the F- 12. F-15 has more detail (feathers) around the neck.
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Quote:
The Denver mintmark began in 1906, so quite impossible for that to happen


Perhaps it is a Dahlonega mintmark
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Gold was first found in what is now Denver in 1857 at Cherry Creek; dredging and panning operations commenced in 1858. Despite the Panic of 1857, the gold rush was in full swing by 1859. Clark, Gruber & Co. established assay offices and was minting gold coins by 1860.

The "pinch" of gold dust was used for small daily commerce transactions, but merchants soon grew tired of having to weigh out gold when selling fast-moving items like horseshoes, feed, pickaxes, and lamp oil. Gold dust had a way of wandering off if you didn't keep an eye on it. Clearly, a better solution was needed, and quickly.

It's a little-known bit of numismatic lore that Clark, Gruber & Co. secretly smuggled a pair of discarded, worn-out 1857 Flying Eagle cent dies from Philadelphia and used them to strike the first Denver-mintmarked Flying Eagle cents. Since the dies were already engraved with the date 1857, all of the cents struck from those dies are dated as such. A "D" mintmark was stealthily placed on the obverse to avoid drawing the suspicions of Treasury officials. Some random base-metal alloys sourced from local farmers and miners were soon hammered into planchets to be used for coinage.

It's estimated that at least a few dozen such examples were produced before the mule team powering the wheel which was used to drive the mint machinery got tuckered out and decided to take the rest of the day off. After a fresh bushel of apples was delivered the following day, production commenced again, but during the first few strikes, the worker who was responsible for feeding the blank planchets into the mint decided to sneak out back to "heed nature's call" and the empty dies clashed into each other. At that point, it was decided to just call the whole thing off and go back to striking gold coins and rounds.

This created one of the greatest mid 19th century numismatic rarities: the Clark, Gruber & Co. 1857-D Flying Eagle cent. All examples were struck from worn and clashed dies. At least one example is known to survive today in the hands of a private collector; the rest are only known from early cell phone photographs that were taken in the 1870s using technology borrowed from a certain secret government site in the Southwest.

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