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181? Large Cent With Both OBV And REV Mirror Images

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I can't get my head around the multiple events required to produce this error.
Any guesses on what sequence of capped dies, clashed capped dies, or flip-overs would be required?

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I just asked the seller if the mirror images are incuse or relief. They look like they are in relief to me from the images, which makes things even more improbable.
Also, coins were minted by hand at this time, so it's less likely events could stack up as easily.

It's been graded, and deemed authentic, but no error designation was given.





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It must be a hammer job. I don't think that mirror-image dies existed.
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Thank you for the suggestion. It is the obvious answer and helpful to see the PCGS damage designation.
I just can't figure out how a hammer job creates patterns in relief. I don't know if you can see it well enough on the reduced size image files. On the original large sized files it looks like both sides are in relief, not incuse.
I'll post an update if the seller messages me back about it.
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There's a page on errors-ref.com called

"Brockage-Counterbrockage Combination 8 Types
PART VI. Striking Errors:
Counterbrockages:
Brockage-Counterbrockage Combination (8 types):"

They explain how a mirror image in relief occurs. It's just a clashed die cap, which takes 2 different events and is rare. Die cap, die clash on capped die, early strike on coin minted with clashed cap and opposite die with clash from cap.

They also give examples of very rare complex multi-step bockage errors.

I just can't get my head around the steps required to mint a coin that has both sides in both mirror image and relief even with this information.

https://www.error-ref.com/brockage-...tion_8_ways/
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It must be a hammer job.

One would think - but no hammer damage on either side.
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but no hammer damage on either side.

Middle of a coin sandwich?
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True - but ruined 3 cents
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