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Quote:I'm sure this will kill my ebay sales if the tariff is applied to numismatics. That's what is trying to be figured out here. So far no answers to that question. Is buying a few coins considered "Importing goods" like buying 50 tons of rolled steel is? Or is it considered retail sales and won't be included in the tariffs?
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Ah Ha! Might be getting somewhere.......
"Tariffs are taxes on imported goods, and are paid by the importer, not the consumer."
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Yes, but who is the importer. As an American, when I buy a coin over $2,500 from a Canadian auction company, they usually Fedex it to me. Sometimes U.S. Customs mistakenly thinks there is duty on such numismatic items. They hold the item and hit me up for the duty as the importer. In the end, we agree numismatic items have zero duty (until Tuesday) and they release the item.
This has happened multiple times. In such cases, they consider me the importer and the consumer.
In cases such as TVs, Best Buy might be the importer and pay the tariff, then pass it on to the consumer in the price.
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Read this . from US Customs Section 321 Programs
Section 321, 19 USC 1321 is the statute that describes de minimis. De minimis provides admission of articles free of duty and of any tax imposed on or by reason of importation, but the aggregate fair retail value in the country of shipment of articles imported by one person on one day and exempted from the payment of duty shall not exceed $800. The de minimis threshold was previously $200, but increased with the passage of the Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement. Not sure if this will still be in effect after Tuesday , according to the great Leader it is everything to be targeted and will just get worse if either Canada or Mexico retaliate ( already both have) . Enjoy the show folks!
Edited by Pacificoin 02/02/2025 7:07 pm
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Quote: Enjoy the show folks! Yeah, I guess the best way is just sit back and see what happens because right now it seems nobody knows.
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Quote: Not sure if this will still be in effect after Tuesday "The White House officials said that Canada specifically, would no longer be allowed the "de minimis" U.S. duty exemption for small shipments under $800." https://www.reuters.com/business/tr...-2025-02-01/
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It probably also depends on what you are buying. From prior conversations, I seem to remember that U.S. citizens in the U.S. who purchase U.S. government issued coins (not bullion) from Canada are not subject to any value-add taxes or duties.
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If this goes like the other new initiatives started by the new administration in the U. S., then do not expect any of the smaller details to be well thought out and planned.
I think some of the key questions are:
Will the U. S. tariff rules merely change the rates, but otherwise follow the existing rules for customs duties? This is where Jack's de minimus point comes in. I do not think anybody currently knows the answer, including those making the rules.
Will the U. S. tariffs be collected in the same way, and under the same rules, as customs duties are now collected. I am guessing the answer is yes, because that is the infrastructure and procedures that are now in place.
How long will this last? Is it reasonable to wait it out, or does this go on for four years or more?
If this lasts a long time, I think it has the potential to raise the prices on Canadian coins in both of our countries. Historically, markets quickly adjust to the most favorable conditions. A significant percentage of Canadian numismatic items already reside in the United States. I feel certain that Canadian dealers store some of their inventory in the United States, particularly inventory they buy at shows there. This begs two questions:
Will the prices for collections and inventory already in the U. S. increase by 25%, just because they can, even though there is no tariff to be paid. After all, the alternative for American buyers is to buy from Canada and pay the tariff.
Does that increase eventually spill over into the Canadian to Canadian prices?
Time will tell.
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With the shocks to all off North Americas intertwined Economy .there are no winners in a self inflicted trade war . With the resultant sharp decline in GDP and what could easily be a very sharp rise in inflation , there will be very little money for Coins or collectibles. Certain political leaders would do well to read up the Smoot Hawley act of 1930 and the resultant damage caused to the North American and world economies. It was known as the Great Depression.
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Link to the Harmonized Tariff Schedule: https://hts.usitc.gov/Current circulating coins are covered by section 7118. Numismatic coins and collections seem to be covered by section 9705. The code doesn't specifically call out the new Canadian and Mexican tariffs, but at least we know the sections of interest. Possibly there are others, navigating their site and the Customs site is a painful tangle of legalese.
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For those Canadian sellers living close to the US border, is it an option to drive to a nearby US Post office and mail the coins from there?
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Just read Canadas list on the news mainly food products but no mention of coins yet. It did say jewelry and silver,
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Must chime in as a Canadian if my guess is right another 25% is added to an American auctions this would equate to a 100% of winning bid, almost impossible for a Canadian to buy at US auctions, just a nonlogical trade war
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There's another aspect too, the value of the dollar compared with foreign currencies. If the dollar drops in value, US citizens buying from other countries will need to pay more. This is from a friend's investment newsletter. Quote: When the US imposes tariffs on imports, it makes imported goods more expensive. This can lead to a decrease in demand for imported goods, as consumers may choose to buy domestic goods instead. This decrease in demand for imports can lead to a decrease in demand for the US dollar, as there is less need to exchange other currencies for dollars to buy imports.
Additionally, if other countries retaliate by imposing tariffs on US exports, this can further decrease demand for the US dollar. The newsletter goes on to recommend Quote: reduce exposure to the US stockmarket, and US dollar denominated investments
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Pertinax, I think the counter-argument to be made is that if the tariff reduces demand for imported goods, and that causes the dollar to retreat a little in value, that is good for the U.S. economy. It will increase demand for domestic products, and in turn increase employment and put upwards pressure on wages. Also, it will make U.S. exports cheaper to countries where no trade barriers exist, or where they haven't changed. The European Union effectively did this when they eliminated trade barriers internally, but maintained exterior tariffs and taxes, and it worked out pretty well for them.
I do agree with the investment advisor that you want to carefully evaluate owning stocks priced in a foreign currency in a country where this happens, due to currency value shifts. On the other hand, if that country experiences a boost in small and medium businesses, it might be an overall gain. And let's be honest, the biggest U.S. companies comprise most of the global titans, and draw their revenue stream from multiple continents. Their value might not shift as much as you would think.
Overall, I think all the hand-wringing over the tariffs is misplaced. This is a political pressure tactic to stop specific bad behaviors from our international trading partners. The sanctions leveled against China are probably going to be long-term, because the IP theft and currency manipulation is not going to get solved overnight. The tariffs against Canada and Mexico are probably going to get resolved in less than a year, because the specific complaints are easier to resolve, and I believe that neither side particularly wants the tariffs to remain in place.
For coin collectors and coin shops specifically, we don't even know if this action affects coins yet.
Edited by Brandmeister 02/03/2025 10:17 am
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