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While we are on quattrinos, I also have a version of the Gubbio quattrino with Saint Paul, but from Benedict's reign (it seems his beard grew a bit in the intervening years):
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it seems his beard grew a bit in the intervening years


And he lost that cowlick on his forehead. Great coin @tdz!
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Oh wow. That's a great obverse image and I didn't know that background detail about die sharing at this mint at all. I knew of it from my days collecting Roman Provincial coins (it's ubiquitous there) but I never considered it for these issues.

Just on the striking policies query, again, from my days collecting Roman Provincial coins which had kinda the same issues of being city states within a broader governance structure - the main driver there seemed to be civic pride and I can see the same type of thing coming through here. Great bit of info about the likely numbers of coins and dies being produced - thanks!
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I'll post this additional 1756 Quattrino from the Rome mint. It has a few dings and things but I like it for the really well executed "rope" like design on the reverse.


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The Roman quattrino also reinforces your comment upthread on the regional mints using more ornate decoration on the obverse (I've seen the terminology "baroque frame" for the decoration around the coat of arms on some of the coins posted upthread). The obverse design on the Roman quattrino is sedate by comparison.
Since we are missing a quattrino from Ferrara, I'll add one of mine:



I am noticing for the first time that the Ferrara quattrinos have the family coat of arms superimposed on top of the Papal keys motif (the handles of the keys are visible lower, to the sides of the coat of arms, instead of being completely above the coat of arms). I wonder if there was any significance to this, or if it was just the engraver there taking artisitc license.
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I'll post this additional 1756 Quattrino from the Rome mint. It has a few dings and things but I like it for the really well executed "rope" like design on the reverse.

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Since we are missing a quattrino from Ferrara, I'll add one of mine:
Nice examples!
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" am noticing for the first time that the Ferrara quattrinos have the family coat of arms superimposed on top of the Papal keys motif "

Good spot - I hadn't noticed that! Nice coin,
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I'll post another one of Clement XIII, another 1 Baiocco but this time in silver and from 1762. Perhaps slightly unusual to have a silver issue that comes after a copper one, usually it's the other way around so there must have been some sort of recoinage or policy shift between 1758 and 1762.

The reverse contains a Bible quotation in Latin.


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I'll post another one of Clement XIII, another 1 Baiocco but this time in silver and from 1762.
Very nice!
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Another nice addition! (maybe a grosso, rather than a baiocco?)
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Thanks for that correction. What was I thinking... of course it is a grosso.

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Great additions.
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I think I only have one more coin suitable for this particular tranche.

It's a 1740 1/2 Baiocco from the Sede Vacante period when Annibale Albani was the Camerlengo





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