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1796 Draped Bust Dime NGC Vs You

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 Posted 02/27/2025  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Freespeech57 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful coin. I would send it off to CAC for stickering, a green bean on this one likely increases resale value 10-20%.

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NGC calls is an MS(61).


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I would send it off to CAC for stickering, a green bean on this one likely increases resale value 10-20%.
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What superb eye appeal in that NGC slab! A coin I could only dream of owning. Congrats Adam.
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The coin was cleaned and has retoned in an odd way. The silver streak on the reverse is partly from blotchy retoning after the cleaning. A MS61 grade reflects that.

P.S. Another possibility is the cleaning solution that was used to whiten the center of the obverse got on a portion of the reverse removing the dark toning that (likely) covered both surfaces prior to cleaning.
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BH1964: Thanks for your answer. You say "partly from blotchy retoning after the cleaning." What else could cause this streak?


And does anything think PCGS would cross it (at least at 61?)? I love NGC holders too, but a set of early dimes I am putting together is mostly PCGS slabbed. If not, it's OK, because "buy the coin, not the holder," but do you think it's possible for consistency's sake?
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I remember seeing this coin at auction a while ago. It's cleaned and retoned, it would have been crossed into a PCGS holder already if people believed it would cross IMO. I also believe it will not CAC due to the surfaces and toning. Nevertheless, a fantastic example of our nation's early coinage!
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BH1964: Thanks for your answer. You say "partly from blotchy retoning after the cleaning." What else could cause this streak?


The cleaning solution used to whiten the obverse could have accidently gotten on parts of the reverse removing the toning and leaving the streak.

Don't get me wrong. It's still a beautiful example I'd love to own at the right price. It's been to CAC and failed. It was in a Stacks-Bowers auction and did not sell at the reserve. I see you bought it from DLRC. Stacks and/or DLRC would definitely have tried to CAC a coin of this value which is 5 figures easily.

As far as crossing to PCGS, it's worth a shot. It may have already been tried but who knows? No way I'd consider accepting anything less the MS61 grade assigned by NGC. I don't think you would either.
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Thanks BH1964: Would you say that a majority of the high end 18th century US coins have been cleaned at some point? I see many in MS holders with no luster, and it makes sense that the probability of an antique coin surviving all this time and never being messed with, especially when it was widely acceptable (regretably) in the past to do so, is quite low.
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Thanks BH1964: Would you say that a majority of the high end 18th century US coins have been cleaned at some point? I see many in MS holders with no luster, and it makes sense that the probability of an antique coin surviving all this time and never being messed with, especially when it was widely acceptable (regretably) in the past to do so, is quite low.


18th century U.S. coinage is a limited market and I really don't know. There are numerous lightly cleaned and/or mostly original pieces available and they are all expensive. Normal toning and patination can leave an MS coin void of luster also. Think of the "skin" a coin that age should have.
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Sorry to dredge this one up--it arrived! The holder is very scratched--here are my new photos. In hand, I like the coin, and it kind of fits with my 1838-O dime (that is pictured in my avatar/icon on this forum). It is clearly an MS coin that was available at half (or less) the price of other MS pieces on the market. With an unlimited budget there are always better specimens. At this price, it is a nice low MS specimen that will feature in a long time effort of mine to collect one Draped Bust dime of each year 1796-1807 in EF/AU for rare dates and AU/MS for common dates.



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That is a beauty, congrats!
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