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1879 Shilling KM#734.4 "No Die Number" Variant

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 Posted 03/04/2025  04:43 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add totty to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I recently acquired this sorry looking shilling in a lot of world silver coins. I noticed it is the KM#734.4 variant meaning it does not have the usual die number above the date. Does anyone know what the relative rarity of this type is compared with the usual variety with the die number?
Many thanks

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Both Spink "Coins of England" and Bull "English Silver Coinage" give the No die number version of the 1879 shilling as MORE common than the die number version.
Spink values No die number in Fine at £12, with die number at £20.
Bull gives no die number rarity index N for Normal, with Die Number as R2 for low end of rare scale.
This assumes both are Fourth Bust, which is difficult to be certain with the level of wear on the example. A Third bust version of 1879 Spink notes: "Uncertain to exist as Normal or Proof".
I hope that helps.
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Very interesting PaddyB, thank you for the information. I was going off numista which assumes it's rarer but my guess is it's because most members simply put they have the first variant which appears.
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If you look on ebay nearly all the so called rare 3rd head being offered even by knowledgeable sellers are 4th head with a few of the more recent unrecorded 7B pairing . I think that is probably where the confusion is If its reverse B it must be 3rd head and has probably been attributed wrongly for years. Also for the same 1879 Shilling there is an extremely rare variety with a GBATIA error
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