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I had some dental gold to dispose of so made a trip to the local coin shop today. They're now doing their tests with a handheld XRF. I brought along some coins for tests.

Mysia stater ca 500 BC: 44% gold, 53% silver
Pictones stater ca 100 BC: 28% gold, 35% silver
Pictones stater ca 100 BC: 37% gold, 29% silver

These tests confirmed my worst suspicions about electrum. They're not fool's gold, just gold that has been fooled with. The Pictones (Celt tribe from around Poitiers) staters look very coppery. They are well engraved and look like modern art.

I also tested two Mysia obols ca 450 BC. Beautifully engraved on both sides and XRF composition is 99.99% silver on both of them.

My tooth was 92% gold and I got $69 for it. I also brought in a bridge which was supposedly palladium. We had to scroll down the tests to discover that it is 80% cobalt. That is not a metal the shop buys.

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It has long been known that, right from the very beginning, the "electrum" used to make the earliest Lydian coins was adulterated. Modern analysis techniques prove it.

Surviving naturally-occurring electrum nuggets found in the Pactolus River valley in what is now Turkey have a composition of about 75% gold, 25% silver and only trace amounts of copper. But the earliest "electrum" coins from that same area are consistently lower in gold content, measuring no better than 54% gold, 44% silver and 2% copper. Meaning that while the Lydian state myth was that natural river electrum nuggets were being melted and stamped directly with the king's seal to make coins, the coins weren't made of "pure" electrum.

And everyone back then knew it too, even without access to the fancy testing equipment we have today. The drop in faith of electrum-based coinage directly led to the refining and separation of electrum into those two metals and the invention of pure silver and pure gold coinages.
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Well, this is quite revealing, but I guess should not be a surprise. The ancients were just as honest as modern people.
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It has long been known that, right from the very beginning, the "electrum" used to make the earliest Lydian coins was adulterated. Modern analysis techniques prove it.


Since I don't collect ancients or read any of the associated literature, I know very little about this history except what I've heard from other collectors (some of whom are maybe not as well-read as I thought). I'd had the impression there was a "natural" electrum from which some early coins were made, and man-made debased gold.

I'm glad to have been set straight!
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