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 Posted 03/25/2025  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh yeah, without even looking at the other comments, that VDB is clearly added and looks nothing like a genuine coin. The whole coin looks off, like it probably is not a genuine coin from the start. Looks too good to be true.
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 Posted 03/25/2025  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely a Chinese Fake !
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 Posted 03/25/2025  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfeed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure this is a "real" 1909 S cent, but I do think that the V.D.B. have been added to whatever it is or was..
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 Posted 03/25/2025  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marve65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with counterfeit. The "deep" N instantly gives it away as such!
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I was aware of several markers for a genuine coin and the 4 mm positions but I was not aware of the "shallow N" marker nor the dot between D and B being centered. Good information to add to my notes thanks to the knowledge of the fine members on this site.
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 Posted 03/26/2025  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add I6609 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Question other than the for mentioned are there any other true die markers for a real 09s VDB
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Appears to be cast, porous surfaces and suspect colors. The MM does not look correct either, quite a few red flags.

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EDIT: I keep looking at this one. It definitely has some aspects of a cast counterfeit, but I also see indications such as stress lines suggesting that it may be die struck. The little rim burr above LIBERTY is interesting.

This doesn't look like the reverses I have seen on other Chinese 1909-S VDB counterfeits. I wonder if they have yet another new reverse die or if this entire fake may be a new entry in the counterfeit hall of shame. It's worth keeping these photos for future reference. I have a hunch we will see this critter again (and again and again).
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It's worth keeping these photos for future reference. I have a hunch we will see this critter again (and again and again).
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i have to agree with everyone. the obv die does not match any of the 4 known.
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It's worth keeping these photos for future reference. I have a hunch we will see this critter again (and again and again).




It's going to wear us out.

I just noticed something SCARY, it looks like they attempted to re-create the die chip in the upper loop of the S.
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