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Clashed 1878 8TF Morgan Silver Dollar (Solved - It's A 14.1A)

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 Posted 04/01/2025  5:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello again all. Looking for second opinions on this one, I've researched all of the clashed 8TF and the best fit looks to be VAM-9A. It appears to match up well, but I'm always wary of wishful thinking. All opinions are welcome and appreciated.



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04/01/2025 8:50 pm
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 Posted 04/01/2025  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a VAM-9 Check the VAM-14.1a or 14.10a
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 Posted 04/01/2025  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't appear to have the rough patch above the M in UNUM or the die clash in front of the eye of 14.1A. I wasn't aware that there's a VAM-14.10A, can you tell me where I might find info on it?
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 Posted 04/01/2025  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Opps meant to say a 14.10 (no a) sorry. I need much better in focus photos to tell for sure if possible to reshoot. Try to get the coin perpendicular to the lens flat across the entire coin so it stays in focus.

I'm seeing the reverse clash does not line up with the bottom of the N see this photo of a VAM-9 in comparison.



on your coin it appears to intersect the point of the N of IGWT

I still think it's the VAM 14.1a the rough patch above the M in UNUM on mine is almost nonexistent. I have a few of them I will upload so you can compare.

Once you see a VAM-9 reverse there is no mistaking it, I've found 2 in the wild, but it took a lot of looking and both were found before the TOP 100 VAM book came out and popularized this segment of collecting Morgans (Late 1999/2000).

That right feather is very coma shaped and really stands out with a curve. It almost looks more like a blob of extra metal than an engraved feather.






Sorry the photos are 7-8 years old and were taken through the Mylar holders. I was shooting them for insurance reasons, I don't have the coins at hand now they are in the bank deposit box. The photos should be clickable to enlarge each as well.
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 Posted 04/01/2025  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much for all the great info, I believe that you're correct about it being the 14.1A. I went back and looked at some more examples and several have a faint rough patch above the M like yours. You're right about the clash above the right wing as well, it definitely hits the n in a different spot than the 9A. See, I knew it was wishful thinking. Ah well, the search continues. Thanks again westcoin, I really appreciate it!
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 Posted 04/01/2025  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Glad I could help, and I was right in your situation a few decades ago when I just started to understand VAMs. I was lucky and got a chance to take the very first VAM ANA Summer Seminar held, (also before the TOP 100 book was out and known). My instructors were Dr. Michael Fey and Jeff Oxman, the best teachers we could hope for at the time. I learned so much and it was great as VAM collecting was not really popular at all. In fact at the summer seminar I was offered a chance to buy an 1878 VAM-44 slabbed ANACS (little white holder) MS62 DMPL for $2.5K I passed, DOH! Today? Probably a $35K coin. I also bought an 1878-S long arrow nock from a junk box at $7.25. I ended up trading it to Larry Briggs, who eventually figured out I had the VAM # wrong and it became a new discovery piece. VAM-72, another Dang-It coin. But I've also had a bunch of success too, I got to help contribute to the 1st edition 8TF book by Jeff Oxman and Les Harnett was as good as any coin finds. Keep searching brother the rewards will come like your name unimpossible!
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 Posted 04/01/2025  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's awesome, thank you for sharing that as well!
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UnimpossibIe, if you are not already aware of it, there is a cool way to narrow down your 8-tailfeather search quite a bit. I tried using your full coin shot but it was a little fuzzy when I zoomed in. Anyway, there is a way that VAMWorld narrows down your search dramatically by the "upper tailfeathers". Here is the link for the next time you are searching them.

LINK https://vamworld.com/wiki/1878-P-20...uide#Step_2:
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 Posted 04/04/2025  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much -makecents-, that's truly very helpful!
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