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Bedrock of the Community
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04/16/2025 12:14 pm
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This real early stuff is a little out of my wheelhouse. Matching this coin to PCGS Photograde looks like a F-12 obverse and a borderline F-12 reverse. With an estimated survival rating below 3000 in all grades, A PCGS slabbed F-12 is around $1100. Even at VG it is a $750 coin so I suppose that $496 is more than reasonable for a raw coin. PCGS is showing 6 varieties for this date (B-1 thru B-5) but I have no clue about the differences. Perhaps another member can expand on the varieties.
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04/16/2025 10:20 am
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This looks like a nice coin. I like the circulation cameo.
The obverse is strong. The reverse is a bit more mixed, with the shield strong and tail feathers weaker. There may be an older cleaning here, and there is a scratch between the first and second stars running to the hair at the shoulder. There are a couple very minor surface scratches from the first cloud to the eagle's right wing (our visual left). To me this looks right on the VG-10/F-12 bubble. In hand, I would focus on the possible cleaning and the obverse scratch and balance that with the overall eye appeal. This is a nice one, and I think you did well on the price.
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Appears to have some rim damage, but is still in collectable condition. Good detail on the obverse. Seems like a fair asking price.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'll say between VG and Fine.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
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Overall it looks nice. The referenced scratches on the obverse and reverse aren't very distracting and don't think they would details a lower grade coin such as this. also don't see rim damage on the obverse, looks like angle, lighting and reflection from the wrapper making it look like damage. I'd lean more towards F12.
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i was between VG10/F12 on her. to me looks like some weakness in strike on both sides. overall I like the coin for an early .25 and don't see any issues with her that would pull a details designation. nice coin. would love to have that in my type set.
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Bedrock of the Community
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You have an eye for finding great coins from really awful seller photos! This coin looks much better from your in-hand photos.
The top half of the obverse and bottom half of the reverse are more weakly struck than the opposing halves of the coin. Misaligned die? Tapered planchet? Or just a weaker strike? If there was an older cleaning, it sure looks market acceptable. The reverse scratches between the first cloud and the eagle's right wing don't look to be an issue on the in-hand photos.
Just grading from the stronger struck parts of the coin (lower half of obverse and upper half of reverse), this looks on the VG-10/F-12 bubble, and I'm leaning toward F-12. It's a bourse floor F-12, with a price adjustment if the obverse scratch becomes a sticking point.
That obverse rim-to-central-device scratch between the first and second stars is the only issue, and TPGs are going overboard right now on detailing coins that would have straight graded just a couple years ago. I love the circulation cameo, especially on the obverse. This one has eye appeal above the grade. JMHO, but I'd leave this coin raw and let buyers debate balancing the scratch with the beautiful circulation cameo.
You did well, my friend. At that price, very well. Nice coin!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thank you to all for sharing your helpful thoughts.  Edited by numismatic student
04/22/2025 11:18 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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I think it could make F12. The two divots near the base of the hair are a concern but not sure if they'd detail it. Overall appearance is good.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I had her at VG10/F12. your new photos i'll go ahead with F12. Quote:
The top half of the obverse and bottom half of the reverse are more weakly struck than the opposing halves of the coin. Misaligned die? Tapered planchet? Or just a weaker strike? FC, this is an interesting statement. I never thought of either a misaligned die or a tapered planchet when I see a coin like this. I've always assumed it was a strike issue. very interesting and i'll add that to my knowledge base. not sure how much would help in the future as determining which it is may difficult. possible clues on the rest of the coin and/or an edge view might help determine that. |
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The nice circulation cameo on the obverse definitely gives it a boost!
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