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Found An 1864 Indian Head Cent L On The Ribbon Cameo Uncirculated

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So what do you think is this a cameo, what exactly do I have here, and is it valuable
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@tham, first welcome to CCF. Second, can you please remove this coin from the 2x2 and take in-focus pics of both sides? Please also add the weight. Thx.
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Much better pictures needed. No way of seeing if there is al or not.
We have to be able to clearly see the detail of BOTH sides.
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I'm gonna say counterfeit, as the digits in the date look all wrong and nothing like a genuine coin. And yes, it is generally better to take coins out of their 2x2s to better see details, but to me, it's those digits...
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Better pics needed and the date looks funky to me too. Coin has that look of a fresh off the Chinese press with some artificial toning to give it some aged look.
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This coin came out of this roll and I looked and here is what one is supposed to look like next to mine just that one is a red proof
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The reverse confirms it is a fake. The genuine has a shallow N while this example shows a bold N.
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Thanks for the welcome here is a comparison photo and the coin came out now this bank roll


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Srry here is actual side by side comparison. Of a genuine and mine
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Please note the differences between a shallow N and a bold N. The genuine 1864L should have the Shallow N type reverse. Your coin has the Bold N type reverse.
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Not an expert on IHCs by any means, but the "1" in the date looks way off to me, both position and the thinness of it. Looking at PCGS, I see nothing like it.
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I guess you guys made me do my own research all I had to know was that it's real this coin came out of a 80 year old coin roll that's never been tampered with I knew it was real I just didn't know exactly what it was that I had. Definitely a home run coin roll hunting along with 2 mint state 1922 lincoln no d strong reverses and a possible discovery coin I plan on posting later
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I don't know where you got the above information but looking at the PCGS site for every 1864L both business strike and proof examples, Unlike your coin, Every specimen shows the Shallow N reverse. Look at the shape of the centers of the E's and the extended serifs on the N's. Even the comparison pictures you posted of proof coins shows this same Shallow N reverse. Secondly I don't see the strong strike characteristic of a proof coin on your specimen. Lack of detail on the ribbon with diamonds and lack of denticles on a good portion of the obverse along with no mirror surface. It doesn't look like a proof coin to me and even if it were I have yet to see a specimen with the bold N reverse.
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Tham88, I challenge you to find any 1864L proof or business strike where the flag tip on the "1" is in such close proximity to the bust tip and in the exact same position/orientation on the coin. As previously mentioned, in looking through PCGS for 1864L IHC, ive not seen such a skinny "1" on any of the varieties. Then there are the issues mentioned by Mister T, and mrwhatisit.

As said, I'm not the expert by any stretch on IHC, but this looks squirrelly, IMO.



So I decided to do a little more looking for comparable examples, and I found this, but the "1" are still not the same nor is the reverse a match to yours.

And, by the way, welcome to the CCF!

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