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Unfortunately this coin is fake. On the pointed bust, L on ribbon variety the tip of the bust is quite a distance from the 1 in the date, on the rounded bust no L variety the tip of the bust is close to the 1. Your coin has the pointed bust but it is close to the 1, as the picture adam126402 posted shows . Where did you get the roll? How do you know it hasn't been opened in 80 years? Remember, these vintage looking rolls are still available today and unscrupulous sellers are still putting them together. ebay is rife with them. If the 1922 no D cents came from the same source I would be cautious about them as well. Edited by lcutler
04/27/2025 05:01 am
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On the pointed bust, L on ribbon variety the tip of the bust is quite a distance from the 1 in the date, on the rounded bust no L variety the tip of the bust is close to the 1.   Many different dies were used to produce the 1864 with L cents. Some have the 1 in the date closer to the bust, while others are farther away. Always be mindful of different dies when comparing date placement. That said, OP's coin is a fake based on the other issues brought up.
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Sorry bud, this is a one look fake. Yes, the 1 can be close or far on a real 1864-L.
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You did your "own research" but you only asked AI... which supplied totally incorrect information.
The coin is fake. Sorry...
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Agree, Chinese counterfeit. On the obverse, the "6" in the date isn't close to the design of an authentic 1864 IHC, the lettering in UNITED and AMERICA isn't close, and the diamonds on the Indian's ribbon are off. On the reverse, the bow is severed and the "N" both has the wrong serifs and is bold, rather than shallow. On both sides, the dentils are inconsistent and wrong and there is no sign of die polishing. |
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OP insists that he hit the jackpot with this and two 1922 No D wheats in the same roll. can't wait to see a separate thread with the 1922 No D's.
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I don't think you understand the most basic problem with your coin. All 1864 Proofs have a shallow N reverse, the originals AND the restrikes. The restrikes are easily identified by a small die line under the ear on the obverse. Something your coin is missing.
If you are certain with what you have, then have them graded as they are very valuable. I advise you not to do it as it is a waste of money, as your coin was minted in china sometime around 2025.
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This site is full of experts and they are all telling you nicely that your coin is not genuine. If you want to insist that it is then go ahead and send it to a TPG and please post the pictures of your slabbed coin when you get it back. |
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Also.....For you to say we are "jumping to conclusions without knowing our stuff is offensive" is quite offensive. I know my stuff when it comes to Indian Head cents. I have been an underbidder on multiple 1864L proof Indian Head cents and rest assured, I have done more research on these than you, guaranteed. I do own three 1863 with L proofs (graded and certified) in Bronze, Copper-Nickel and Aluminum. These were struck the same period as the 1864 L restrikes. Your coin does not match any diagnostics of authentic 1864L proofs. I suggest you purchase Rick Snows attribution guide where he details all three die pairings with many images. These do not show up in rolls, I don't care how old the roll is. Can I take a guess that you bought this roll off of ebay, or FB marketplace where the seller told you it was from the 40s or 50s? |
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  Ill just put this here. Keep in mind there are such thing as die states and doubling that can cause a slight variance from one coin to the next, but anyways I'm sure someone will try to pick this apart too.. I'm going to try to go through rick snow for an attibution and when I get the result I will share, real or fake.
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Sounds good. I do wish you luck. Die states don't change the Shallow N to a Bold N in the reverse. That was a difference in the hub used to create the die. I'm sure you knew that already though as you did your research. If you send him these pics, he will save you the cost of sending it in. Rick@indiancent.com. |
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I'm confused, Tham88, do you think your coin is a proof or a business strike?
Otherwise good luck and let us know what Rick has to say !
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