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Interesting find.  Errers and Varietys.
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Having looked at a fair amount of wheats can't say I've ever seen this very interesting and good eye.
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Lathe rings? When are lathes involved?
Forgive my ignorance
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Greg, I feel what you have here are concentric die scratches. Lathe lines are perfectly spaced and perfectly circular, these are not. I have found many coins with concentric die scratches, which can be very cool looking.
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I'm with -makecents- on this one. Cool example.
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good eye spotting these lines - and Makecents make a good argument against them being lathe lines.
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I have found many coins with concentric die scratches They do look more like scratches but I haven't seen perfectly formed circles from scratches, especially coming from a fixed central point like this. I've seen semi circle scratches. I've always thought die polishing was more of a free hand process which this doesn't look like. Can you link or post an example of this Jon?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCLStruck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burrFloating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978 |
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Interesting find. |
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Here are a few threads that show what I am talking about. The first thread is the best, it shows the OP's coin with concentric die scratches, NY Islander has an example of a coin with actual lathe lines and then I have put up two pics of my better examples of concentric die scratches. Take note of what Tanner states in thread 3 and my other pics of examples of concentric die scratches. I can find more if you would like but let me know what you think. Look at the examples of actual lathe lines and then look at yours. Lathe lines are "perfectly" spaced between lines, yours are not. LINK 1 http://goccf.com/t/466783&SearchTer...ie,scratches LINK 2 http://goccf.com/t/468379&SearchTer...ie,scratches LINK 3 http://goccf.com/t/405432&SearchTer...ie,scratchesLINK 4 Actual lathe lines. http://goccf.com/t/412436&SearchTer...ie,scratchesADDED: Here is a closeup of your example, notice how the two sets of circular scratches don't line up with each other and you can see overlapping scratches side by side. You will not see this with lathe lines.  -makecents-
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04/28/2025 5:55 pm
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Thanks for those links and I agree these are scratches rather than lathe rings. Lathe rings are very uniform in shape and spacing. That 2000 5c is a nice example. When I first looked at this coin I thought crimper damage but noticed none of the devices were affected. So my initial feeling was that of a scratch of some sort. I put together one more photo then threw it in a 2x2. You can see where the scratches bend around the devices. So the buffer bristles hit the recesses on the die and got re-directed? I believe that is what we see here. Anyways, thanks for the input on this one.  |
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Greg, you need to understand that I know you are much sharper than I am and know much more about coins than I ever will but there are certain things that I have come up against and beat my head against the wall with and know them VERY well, unfortunately, (or fortunately, I guess, it depends on how you look at it  ) and this is one of them. We learn from each other, I have learned much more from you than you from me. Hope that boy of yours is doing OK, I have thought about him often.  -makecents-
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Super thread. Great images as always Greg. Well done Greg ... and Jon. Great examples explaining the differences Jon. Quote:
...and beat my head against the wall ... LOL. Don't we all!! Some info seems to stick better than others and you have a way of delivering info that is helpful and very informative. Your patience seems to have no bounds I'm glad you always stay calm, cool, and collected .... until the third or fourth time 'splaining an item.  (Remember: Very deep breath in and slowly, slowly release it.  ) Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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