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I was reading this month's copy of "Coin News" - a British numismatical magazine - when I came across an article by Bruno Ovejero about the legal implications of collecting ancient coins. In it a Spanish collector had a few coins to sell and got arrested. This was quite alarming. It's all to do with definitions of cultural heritage and it's appropriation and disposal. This seems to be a huge legal grey area where definitions vary from country to country as to what may constitute a cultural object and questions may arise as to motivation (oh yes, selling these to fund terrorists are you?) etc etc. Potentially hair-raising stuff. So if someone goes on holiday to somewhere vaguely exotic, sees an old or unusual coin and wants to buy it for their collection, what's the best thing to do?
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Know the local laws where you visit. It's legal to buy/sell ancient coins/artifacts in United Kingdom, USA, Germany and other European nations. Not legal in Greece, Egypt, Turkey, etc.

In Greece, Egypt, Turkey there are shops you can buy modern made fake ancient coins/artifacts. If I was visiting a place I wasn't sure of the law, I would not buy anything ancient. Being arrested at airport while on holiday would be a nightmare.

Britain has one of the best laws for finding ancient coins/artifacts called the Treasure Act. People report finds, the governemnt can examine the find and site, offer to pay fair market value if they want the finds. If not, the finds are turned back to the finder and/or land owner. In most countries the governement claims ownership and does not offer to pay for it. So sometimes finds are sold, smuggled out.

If ancient coins/artifacts, fossils are known to have been looted and are high value, nations can make efforts to repatriate them such as Egyptian antiquities. Usually it's not worth the effort for low value stuff. For example many dinosaur fossils were exported out of China until laws were gradually passed to ban their sale/export. Still some were smuggled out. China doesn't bother trying to get back small fossils or singular dinosuar eggs, but rare fossils and large egg clusters have been repatriated back to them.
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 Posted 05/12/2025  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So if someone goes on holiday to somewhere vaguely exotic, sees an old or unusual coin and wants to buy it for their collection, what's the best thing to do?

It is essential for a collector to research the local laws before you go. Many countries which have hosted ancient civilizations within their borders have had foreigners coming to them and plundering their relics for centuries, so they quite reasonably implement laws to stop and if possible even reverse this. As such, coin collectors are seen as part of the problem of fuelling black market smuggling and looting. Yes, we're the bad guys.

Each country does have widely varying definitions on what is an antiquity. Some countries have a fixed date (such as "1826" for Greece), for other countries, it's simply the age of the object in question so that a coin that was legal a decade ago might have now crossed the age threshold into illegality.

Also greatly varying is who is allowed to own, buy and sell such antiquities. Some countries are quite free and open about it, others require reams of paperwork, others outright ban it. Greece is notorious for being the most strict in this matter: anything older than 1826 is an antiquity and therefore belongs to the State and may not be bought, sold or exported, no exceptions. Greek citizens may purchase the right to be the custodian of an antiquity and as such may have an "ancient coin collection", but cannot legally own the antiquities themselves and must abide by strict conditions of custodianship such as registering their collection with the government and having the collection available for inspection by government agents on demand. If you're in Greece and happen to find an ancient coin just by digging a hole in the ground at random (something that happens extremely frequently in Greece) you are supposed to hand over your find to the government, with no compensation or reward, other than the warm fuzzy feeling of being a good honorable citizen and not one of those dirty rotten coin collectors.

Finally, one must also mention copies/fakes/replicas of ancient coins. In most countries where buying and selling genuine ancient coins is illegal, buying and selling fake/replica ancient coins is perfectly legal. So if you go to some antiquity-themed tourist trap like Ephesus (which is the Disneyland of archaeological sites, they get 3 cruise ships a day through there at peak season) and there are rows of stalls of street-hawkers at the gates, selling souvenirs including "ancient coins". Every single one of those coins will be fake, because selling ancient coins to tourists is illegal in Turkey. Even buying a fake ancient coin is risky in these circumstances, because you're gambling that the border security guards inspecting your bags when you leave the country can tell the difference between fake ancient coins and real ones. You don't want to be spending three months in a Turkish prison while the authorities try to determine whether the "ancient coins" found in your baggage are genuine or not.

TLDR: the "best thing to do" if you aren't very familiar with local antiquities laws, is to leave that coin there where you found it, continue having your nice holiday, then go back home, and buy a coin just like the one you saw from a local coin dealer. That's what I did when I visited Turkey.
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An interesting discussion. It is good thing that I do not sell coins or travel abroad to buy/find coins.
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@Sap, great analysis and commentary.

I have only bought from large(-ish) auction houses in the countries s in Europe that have that have export restrictions on antiquities, and been able to depend on them to do all the requisite paperwork.

After pondering your insights, I don't think I would ever consider "winging it" on buying coins while on travel to Europe.
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After pondering your insights, I don't think I would ever consider "winging it" on buying coins while on travel to Europe.
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Europe is fortunately not yet a unified monster. This is happening only in some countries. Do not panic because of news from one.

Anywhere it will be the product of laws that are made with an intent to grant arbitrary powers to certain people in positions of authority. They only bother exerting that power when they see some profit it in. Personal profit or career profit. Notoriety. You get targeted if you have something of value, something that draws attention. And must be unlucky to be noticed by one of those people.

A sad state of affairs for this to happen at all. But it has been only the occasional unlucky collector of ancient coins who advertises a rare and expensive coin who risks having it stolen under cover of law. I can at least say that about Spain. I can believe Greece to be much more corrupt in this sense of how power is arbitrarily exercised, as enabled by their laws.
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