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Lincoln 1943 Steal Missing 4 Date

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Hi everybody I found this one when I checked a few rolls of wheat and I would like to know the cause ?
Thank you very much for your help






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 Posted 05/19/2025  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a Greaser?
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Looks like a minor Grease Filled Die.
Not too uncommon.
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A " Greaser" - Grease Filled Die. That happens on the steel cents kind of frequently for some reason.
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There is a bit of debate about the "ghost 4" coins of 1943. They are extremely common, affecting about a quarter of all of the coins. It's almost always the third digit of the date that is missing and it affects coins from all three mints. If it's grease, why is the third digit affected more than the other digits?

I've heard it suggested, but without any evidence, that there may have been a broken hub four. There are a lot of broken hub coins in this era. The broken hub "R" in LIBERTY in 1936, the broken hub second "T" in trust in 1941, and the broken hub "6" in 1956, to name just three.

Just one more mystery from this era.
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I've come across many of these. If coins could talk...
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that there may have been a broken hub four.

Quite possible - after all (If I'm thinking correctly) that on a hub the devices are raised, in order to make the working dies.
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Quite possible - after all (If I'm thinking correctly) that on a hub the devices are raised, in order to make the working dies.


A related question is whether there are any 1943 DDOs lurking out there with a broken hub four over an intact four or an intact over broken four. Also, if the four was broken almost completely, what would be visible, especially on a circulated coin?

The 1936 cents are all intact "R" over broken "R" in LIBERTY. The 1941 cents are a mixture of intact/broken, broken/intact, intact/intact, and broken/broken second "T" in TRUST. On the other hand, I'm not aware of any 1956 cent that is confirmed as either broken/intact or intact/broken "6" in the date, although I have paused more than once when looking at 1956-D DDO-005.

There are also the 1943/1942-S and the three major 1949-S DDOs where the 1949 was hubbed over a 194 from 1948, but those are different situations.

Here's another part of the question. The arch inside the four - the opening in the four - would be recessed on a hub. A broken four wouldn't eliminate the arch. Why isn't its outline clear or at least visible on the "ghost four" coins?
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