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1878-CC VAM-11 Morgan Silver Dollar

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 Posted 05/22/2025  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marve65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm probably the only one to say this - BUT, my "pet peeve" is posting pictures and asking grades from, then the OP posting more accurate pictures later after everybody has wasted their time commenting!
Now it looks like a 63!
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 Posted 05/22/2025  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies @Marve65, the first set of pictures were seller pics and I wanted some feedback before purchasing. That's why I noted in my OP that I didn't have the coin in hand. Thank you for your feedback, I will take that into account going forward.
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 Posted 05/22/2025  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marve65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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You don't really need apologies - Blame it on the seller who puts his pictures into the picture editor. No way of telling when that happens!
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 Posted 05/22/2025  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think the seller's pictures were overly edited, just very selective with the angles they photographed from. I could've gotten similarly PQ pics but I wanted to show as much detail as possible, so I intentionally took mine from bad angles.
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 Posted 05/23/2025  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always remember that the GSA grading standards were formulated a very long time ago and the coins were being "graded" by contract employees with limited experience. If coins were relatively blemish free , or free of ugly toning, they ended up in the hard plastic holders with most selling for $30 or $15. Ones with perceived "problems" ended up in the $3 soft packs. Turned out most ended up being a bargain considering what they sell for in today's crazy world. All things considered yours is a nice example. I hope you enjoy it for many years to come! (Curious as to what you paid for yours if you care to share that info. Thanks!)
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 Posted 05/23/2025  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin has good eye appeal, regardless of grade. The obverse is CAM and looks like it could be PL. The reverse is a beauty, but looks to have a cartwheel and not PL. The frosting on the reverse isn't as thick or complete. It definitely is the old bourse floor SPL. That's fairly common with 1878-CC coins, but it doesn't make them any less beautiful.

With the in-hand photos, the obverse looks to be on the 62/63 bubble, taking into account the rim ding. The reverse is at least 64/64+. Given the eye appeal from the obverse frosting and fields, IMHO the net should be MS-63, even from PCGS. A TPG MS-62 can't be ruled out, however, and that is a risk you would need to evaluate and limit. On a bourse floor, raw, it might be a 63/64 tossup.

Submitting it to a TPG and getting slapped with an MS-62 leaves you with a Hobson's Choice, crack it out and lose the GSA Hoard certification or leave it slabbed as an MS-62 and try to argue it up to a 63 at sale. To reduce that risk, if you submit it to a TPG, definitely set your minimum acceptable grade at 63/63+ and make sure they don't take it out of the soft pack for any reason unless they will slab it at your minumum acceptable grade. Whatever you do, don't give them the chance to hit you with a 62. If it slabs at MS-63, I'd call it good.

The GSA soft packs are vanishing quickly. I remember them being fairly common a decade ago, but even by the start of the pandemic, they were uncommon. Other than the awkwardness of storing the soft packs, they have value to many collectors. The VAM is identifiable, and the soft pack would allow the bourse floor raw coin grade haggling that I mentioned. Your coin and your choice, but that's the way I would go with this one.

If you do choose to submit it to a TPG, you probably will have to choose between stickering it as a GSA Hoard coin or stickering it for the VAM. Just my opinion here, and take it with a grain of salt, but if it were my coin and I chose to submit it (which I wouldn't), I'd sticker it with the TPG as GSA Hoard and then resubmit it slabbed to VSS for their additional VAM sticker.

Way TMI here, but I'm tossing out some ideas for your consideration.

I like your coin. It has eye appeal. And, frankly, my 1878-CC whispered in my ear that it's jealous of your coin's looks.
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 Posted 05/23/2025  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UnimpossibIe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@fortcollins thank you for the thorough and informative post. That's a very good suggestion regarding the minimum grade, I will definitely employ that as an MS-62 would be very frustrating after spending the money to have it slabbed. I've looked at comparable graded examples and even with the rim hit it looks closer to a 64 than a 62 to me. I don't spend much time on bourse floors so I'll probably take my chances and submit it to PCGS. Regarding the attribution, I've seen examples where they've noted both GSA and the VAM so I think I'm good there. VSS would be less expensive but it's worth the extra $14 to me to have PCGS attribute it for registry purposes. I will also be sure to note that I don't want it removed from the holder. Thanks again for the advice, you've been very helpful.
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 Posted 05/24/2025  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
new photos...updated grade. net MS63
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