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 Posted 05/21/2025  03:49 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wheat Penny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i got these 2 old coins today probably from the medieval and roman era. does anyone know the specific names and denomination of the coins? thank you! if you have a link to numista of the coin(s), please link it.


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 Posted 05/21/2025  06:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@wheat, any chance of you removing these coins from their 2x2s, taking good close-ups images with the coins facing right-side up, and posting the new pics?

Also, weights and diameter would be helpful. Thx.
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 Posted 05/21/2025  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the first coin is probably a Tetricus I radiate, and the second looks a lot like a Hungarian denar but I'm a little confused by the color.

I agree, close-up photos (preferably outside the 2x2) would really help here.


Note: if you already have high-resolution versions of the original photos and aren't using a phone, you can crop and (mostly) reorient them on the (deprecated) CCF Image Optimizer, which is much more convenient for newbies than the currently suggested cropping tools.
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The Roman coin is Tetricus I with Laetitia, either RIC V 88 or RIC V 90
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There was a copper poltura with similar design, but I think it was larger than this coin.

Also, Hungarian denars were commonly counterfeited in base metals, so this is a possibility.
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 Posted 05/21/2025  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add samoth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The right's reverse makes me think Italian, 15-16th century.

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The right's reverse makes me think Italian, 15-16th century.


Oooh... good call. You think it might be a bishop-saint holding a crozier rather than a madonna? If that's the Visconti/Sforza serpent in the top photo, it would place it in Milan.

Edit: OK, I couldn;t get it blown up, but after rotating it, I think I convinced myself the top photo is indeed something like a coat of arms that typically shows up on Hungarian (pr Austro-Hungarian) coins.


I recall seeing this on some Hapsburg possessions in Italy, 18th century coins (is that what you were thinking?). According to my calculations, it's quite small, about 14 mm.

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I couldn't get it blown up


Here ya go--its pretty pixelated though:


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Edit: OK, I couldn;t get it blown up, but after rotating it, I think I convinced myself the top photo is indeed something like a coat of arms that typically shows up on Hungarian (pr Austro-Hungarian) coins.


I think you're correct. I was leaning towards Sforza and the modern-looking letters on the obverse, but the mint letters to each side are more typical of Hungarian. I'll take a look through CNH & see if anything looks similar.
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I'll take a look through CNH & see if anything looks similar.


Nothing stood out in CNH.
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