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 Posted 06/17/2021  1:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I finally broke down & picked myself up a couple examples from Jamaica, where I lived for 2 years. (I have pretty common $10 and $50 notes).

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Today's note is: 187b(3) 11.09.1997
Nice examples!
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 Posted 06/17/2021  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ShareBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Portuguese notes hfjacinto. It looks like you are trying to complete a set. Would you mind sharing what type of set your are collecting and where you are at.

The Portuguese notes have so many signature varieties I am guessing that completing one of each set would get very difficult.

Personally I have been trying for over 15 years to complete my 6 countries one of each type set and I am at 67%, 62%, 17%, 86%, 45%, 93%. This is disregarding condition and not upgrading any duplicates until the sets are done.
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 Posted 06/17/2021  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Share Bear,

I am trying to do a type set (one example, not one of every signature) of the following notes:

153 - 157 1941-1959 Issue (Have 20 Escudos, missing 50, 500?, 1000), the 500 maybe out of my price range
158 1944 & 1952 "João IV, Chapa 8" Issue (missing 500, the only in the set)
159 1947-1957 "P. Nunes, Chapa 6" Issue (Have 159 just not yet posted )
160 - 161 1953-1956 Issue (found the 50 Escudos not yet ordered, Ordered 1000 escudos)
162 1958 "Francisco de Almeida, Chapa 9" Issue (have not found, maybe out of my price range)
163 - 166 1960-1961 Issue (missing 1000 escudos)
167 - 172 1964-1979 Issue (missing P-171 1000 Escudos, WAY OUT OF MY PRICE Range, sells for $2000+)
173 - 175 1968-1982 Issue (Complete)
176 - 178 1978-1985 Issue (Complete)
179 - 185 1986-1994 Issue (missing 10,000 escudos)
186 1991-1993 "Bartholomeu Dias" Issue (Complete)
187 - 191 1995-2000 "Portuguese Seafarers & Explorers" Issue (missing 10000 escudos)

Everything before 1941 is very expensive. (example 1928 100 Escudos) if I can get one of each series I may, but they maybe more than I can afford. So the above is my current wish list.
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 Posted 06/18/2021  10:45 am  Show Profile   Check walk2dwater's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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@walk2water,

The 1991 and 1996 series note of the 2000 escudos are basically the same note, this is one in which I like the small sized note almost as much as the large sized.

-thanks for the tip (I will keep that in mind).


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I am trying to do a type set (one example, not one of every signature) of the following notes:

- your goal is very admirable & will be challenging enough to keep it interesting. Good luck!
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 Posted 06/18/2021  5:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ShareBear to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hfjacinto I am sure your type set will be amazing. It looks like you are collecting high quality notes.
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 Posted 06/19/2021  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Today's note is the only one from 1947-1957 "P. Nunes, Chapa 6" Issue. This is:
Pick: 159
1957(2)
Issue on 6/25/1957
signatures: Rafael da Silva Neves Duque & José Caeiro da Mata

Obverse:
Pedro Nunes was a Portuguese mathematician, cosmographer, and professor, from a New Christian family. Considered one of the greatest mathematicians of his time, Nunes is best known for his contributions to the nautical sciences, which he approached, for the first time, in a mathematical way.

Reverse:
Fountain at Batalha. This is the same fountain from P-165 shown before.

P159(D) from a run of 21,040,000

The Note:



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 Posted 06/19/2021  09:21 am  Show Profile   Check walk2dwater's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a real beauty 'hfjacinto.' I'm just wondering now that you have P-159(D) & P-165a(8) in hand & can compare side-by-side. Could you tell us what the difference is (other than the one is Chapa 6 and the later one is Chapa6a)? Are there any other subtle design elements that are different (contrast) between the two? I've looked at the 2 & I can barely see any difference other than the dates/signatures. I'm also curious if you notice any difference between the raw note and the TPG note in terms of stated & slabbed grades? (I have typically found, with a few exceptions, that the majority of sellers out there are pretty liberal when it comes to grading raw notes). Thanks in advance...
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 Posted 06/19/2021  10:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi walk2 water

There are several difference on the obverse the banner take up the whole top, the colors of the border are different as is the color of the note. There is also no white space.




On the reverse the fountain takes up the whole back in addition to color differences.




As to raw and slabbed, I generally don't buy slabbed and majority of slabbed I own are higher grade. I found in only a few instances (and 1 was a 5000 Escudos) I wasn't happy with the raw note. And 2 of those I purchased locally and after buying it, I was like I should have held out ($20 Hawaii and $20 Gold Certificate), none of these notes were bad, and the grade was accurate but eye appeal was lacking to me. Majority 65% have been under graded. The 1967 1000 escudos came in VF, that was a high VF35 to me, it was priced low for the grade. The 2000 escudos was also marked VF and that was EF/AU. So my feeling is that raw notes (from dealers with thousands of posts) are under graded on average.

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 Posted 06/19/2021  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to slabbed notes , I found a few that I felt were over graded. My CGA note is not the AU grade given, a PMG 65 has wonky margins. So it's not like either method is fool proof.
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 Posted 06/19/2021  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add classic_coin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I picked up these two, happy to add them to the collection:




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 Posted 06/20/2021  5:12 pm  Show Profile   Check walk2dwater's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add walk2dwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There are several difference on the obverse the banner take up the whole top..


-yes, the two notes are completely different on the back. For some unknown reason, I just kept checking/focussing on the front of that note.


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So my feeling is that raw notes (from dealers with thousands of posts) are under graded on average.

- I have found a few coin dealers to be a bit rough in their handling of UNC notes whereas paper money dealers have tended to be a bit more gentle & fairly conservative on their assessments too. Generally speaking though, they're usually fairly accurate with the lower graded, circulated notes. Thanks for your input.

With online purchases, I have gravitated towards sellers who sell large quantities (like dealers) & who generally deal with mostly UNC (or UNC exclusively). I've had better luck with sellers that operate like this.

Here's a 10 Sol (P-106) from Peru:

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 Posted 06/22/2021  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I rarely place bids and when I do they are usually low and I don't expect to actually win the item, but so far I won 3 times with low bids. The first 2 times were with slabbed Canadian cents and the 3rd time was a 500 Escudo Portuguese note. I must have luck with International items in the US :)

Today's note is 187a(5)
17.04.1997
signatures: António José Fernandes de Sousa & Diogo José Paredes Leite de Campo

The note features João de Barros (1496 - October 20, 1570) ,who is called the Portuguese Livy. João was one of the first great Portuguese historians, most famous for his Décadas da Ásia, a history of the Portuguese in India, the reverse has the subtitle of Décadas da Ásia

"dos feitos que os portugueses fizeram no descobrimento e conquista dos mares e terras do oriente."

"of the feats that the Portuguese made in the discovery and conquest of the eastern seas and lands"

From a run of 5 Million notes, only owned by 4% of Numista.



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P#161 - 31.01.1956 - O Vice-Governador: Álvaro Pedro de Sousa; O Administrador: João Baptista de Araújo

The obverse of this note has a portrait of D. Filipa de Lancastre (31 March 1360 - 19 July 1415), who was Queen of Portugal from 1387 until 1415 by marriage to King John I. Born into the royal family of England, her marriage secured the Treaty of Windsor and produced several children who became known as the "Illustrious Generation" in Portugal.

This note comes from a small run of 4,095,000 and has a rarity index of 92 on Numista. Less than 1 note was printed for every 2 people.

I asked my mom about this note and she said she doesn't remember ever seeing one in circulation, 1000 Escudos was a lot of money in 1956 (equivalent to $34.78 USD), considering the GDP per capita was $360 in 1960, this note was 1/10th of your yearly income. I'm happy to get it, note is in XF condition with a minor center fold. The bleed through on the obverse is common with this series. The note is so large, I had to use 2 sleeves to cover it. I ordered a new storage case and will be moving a few of the larger notes to 8 by 5 top loaders, this will be one.

Thanks for looking.



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