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20 Cents, 1919 - Italy (Help Needed With Strange Error)  
 

 
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 Posted 12/23/2010  11:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I again bought several older world coins, and I was pleasantly surprised when I wanted to take pictures for my database. When I checked the on the PC it was very obvious that one of the coins appeared to have a strange error. I made some zoomed in shots, and hopefully someone can clear things up for me... Could this be a doubble (weak) strike? However, it also appears that it might have been a different coin? But it does look similair to these kind of coins.. ANyways, here are the pics... So please help me identify what might have happened here!







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 Posted 12/23/2010  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MINT_MARQ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Kingz,

Not sure if this is really considered an error....Since it was done on purpose.


During the war there was a shortage of metals, including copper-nickel. So Italy decided to use older already minted 1894-1895 coins as planchets to strike their new 20 centesimi 1918-1919. The result is coins, with parts of the old coin showing.

Pretty cool numismatic history for your collection though.

Ken
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 Posted 12/23/2010  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ooh cool... so it's basicly a restrike, or overstrike like they do with dates pretty often?!
That is pretty iteresting indeed, I did not know they did this with the entire coin.

Thanks for the information Mint Marq, really clear info!
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 Posted 12/24/2010  01:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Ooh cool... so it's basicly a restrike, or overstrike like they do with dates pretty often?!

The technical term is an "overstrike", not a "restrike", but it's not the same as what they "do with dates pretty often" - that's what's known as an overdate. The words are similar but the causes are completely different. An overdate is where the die with an old date is edited to carve a new date onto it; overdated coins were struck only the once from a blank planchet, not an older coin. An overstrike is where the coin is struck once, then sometime later is struck a second time using a completely different pair of dies.

Other series that are famous for overstrikes are Bank of England 1804 dollars and Brazilian 960 reis of the early 1800s. As a general rule, if the original coin or "undertype" is fully identifiable, it does add a little extra value than if only random unidentified remnants of the older coin are visible. In this case, the "4" from 1894 is readily apparent in your pics, below the "old 9" inside the colour-hatching on the shield, so I'd class yours as identifiable.

Here's what the 1894-5 20c looks like. I have a 1919 20c but there's only a faint hint of the old "20" on the reverse. Not identifiable.
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 Posted 07/16/2011  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kingz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that information! I also have one from 1918, don't have a picture from the other side though... but you can see it's a different coin than the one above, because they didn't care obviously which was obverse and reverse before minting them again :)

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07/16/2011 2:17 pm
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