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 Posted 04/18/2011  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do you have any book on Dutch coins prior to the 17th century?
Krause only starts at 1600, and I'm looking for a catalog on stuff prior to 1599.
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 Posted 04/18/2011  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
CalloftheHauntedMaster I do not own a copy so I can not tell you if it will be of help but John Davebport produced a book on the Thaler (Daalder) coins of the Netherlands from 1500 to the 1600s. It is limited but pushes the window a bit earlier than Krause.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 04/19/2011  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
swamperbob, I looked online and found one by Davenport, but it deals with German states. Could you link me to the one you're referring to?
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 Posted 04/19/2011  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link that popped up on Google

http://www.jakesmp.com/csd_books_sd...ks_SD_C.html
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 04/21/2011  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot.
Have you ever actually checked it out? Is it a good resource?
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 Posted 04/21/2011  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I said above, I have not actually seen this particular book by Davenport. However, having checked several other titles of his I would expect a rather superficial treatment of the topic with only basic information. The subject at hand is very focused and in most cases, the information a true collector needs comes only with experience. But having said this - if Krause is a good guide in your opinion, than this will be at least that good.

It is a starting reference.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 04/24/2011  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info. I'm just trying to find something that lists Dutch coins pre-1600. Without a comprehensive listing like Krause, not only am I not sure of the extent of these coins, but I have little to no information about their value. My own research is varied and oftentimes inconsistent.
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 Posted 04/24/2011  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To get an overview of the series to see what is out there (without spending a fortune on a more technical text) I would bet the Davenport book would work fine.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 09/24/2011  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob,

If you were to pick two books (money not an issue) from your list, which two would you pick for someone new to Mexico Collecting to help them learn about counterfeits?

Preferably covering 1700's and 1800s.

Thanks!
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 Posted 09/24/2011  02:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would recommend books that discuss in simple terms the manufacturing techniques actually used to make the coins. Once you understand how the original coins were made then you can apply that knowledge to spotting incorrect techniques.

You can also learn a lot by studying the forgery techniques themselves.

The most descriptive books on how the coins were actually made are Gilboy's "Columnarios" and Hubbard and O'Harrow's "Hoocknecks. They each cover slightly different time periods but they both cover more technical production issues than most typical sources.

The best book on forgery techniques is in my opinion Larson's small paperback called "Numismatic Forgery".

My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 09/24/2011  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome thanks! I need reading material for the bus.. ill try to pick them up.
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 Posted 10/22/2011  10:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great thread--I really hope someone can chime in on a reference for the minor issues of the Mexico cap & ray reales series. I understand that there is a book that focuses on the "medio duro" (4 reales), but what about the smaller denominations? I find 2 reales a very nice size but am at a loss in assessing their value and rarity. It would be great to know where to turn for this info. Thanks!
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 Posted 10/24/2011  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is really nothing in print regarding the minors of MOST series.

Personally I assembled a set of pictures copied from eBay over a period of years which is fairly complete and filed by date so I have a fairly decent reference.

It is like assembling a fantasy collection. Pictures of every date and mint when you can not afford the real thing.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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 Posted 10/24/2011  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rexvictor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for taking the time to reply, Swamperbob. Would it be safe to assume that "rare" dates for the pesos also equate to rare dates for the minors? Are there any verified/known exceptions to this?
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 Posted 10/24/2011  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is actually very little correlation in rarity as you seem to believe. Rarity of one denomination DOES NOT mean that other denominations are equally rare. The production numbers favored the 8R but all coinage was subject to the needs of business to maintain an acceptable level of specie in circulation at any particular time.
My book on Counterfeit Portrait 8Rs is available from Amazon http://ccfgo.com/TheUnrealReales or from me directly if you want it signed.
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