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 Posted 12/01/2017  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add connie0319 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so Much !
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 Posted 01/05/2018  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since you guys are talking about black beauties, I thought I'd ask a question. Were there any Black Beauty Buffalo nickels made?
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 Posted 01/05/2018  01:28 am  Show Profile   Check Crazyb0's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Crazyb0 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think so. From what we've seen this is a product caused in the 50's on. Most seem to be 58, 59, with one certified in 55. Now with 61 a possibility. No earlier than 55 to my knowledge.
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 Posted 01/05/2018  03:18 am  Show Profile   Check spruett001's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spruett001 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Were there any Black Beauty Buffalo nickels made?


If there were, that would be a prize for me! But, I don't think the time difference and differences in alloy production/supply between the Buffs and '50s Jeffs would allow that. What I mean is, this is an anomaly of CuNi production/sourcing during the 1950s and '60s (apparently).

I believe that they are caused by the sourcing of nickel from refineries with sub par quality control and there was enough cobalt left from the original ore to affect the color.
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 Posted 01/05/2018  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Crazyb0, spruett001! The Buffalo I have is real dark. Note sure if it was caused by chemical or environment or if someone took a blow torch to it. Maybe I'll start a new thread. Thanks again!
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 Posted 01/10/2018  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have pulled many out of my crh of boxes of nickels. Thats mainly what I look for. As soon as I figure out and take the time to learn how to do it. I will post pictures of my nicer ones that I have saved.
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 Posted 02/03/2018  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wildhare to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Spruett001.....I finally figured out how to get this information over here on your thread. Anyway, on page two of the link is a great visual put together by Coop. http://goccf.com/t/299104
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 Posted 04/16/2018  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thisistheshow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect all variations of circulation cameo and that's why I held onto this 1962 nickel, but it never seemed to be a circulation cameo. However, as I read this thread, I am not sure it's a black beauty either.


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 Posted 04/16/2018  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely not a Black Beauty , more like a Black Ugly !
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 Posted 04/16/2018  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thisistheshow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'll just leave it in my CircCam album. I think it's nice
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You can call it what you want , but it's NOT a BB .
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I'm not a big fan of these. They are so often created to make a normal coin look like an error. Unless I would find them in a BU OBW roll, I would doubt them. I prefer varieties that you can't fake. Then you know you have the real deal.
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A couple thoughts FWIW on nickel production and demand and somewhat similar issues in industry, as it might relate to the discussion.

Increased demand for nickel during the Korean War led to some pretty strange government contracts and investments designed to ramp up domestic production. (See the long-running Hanna Mining case out of Oregon for some history.) The push for increased production didn't bear much fruit until 1957, when dramatic spikes in domestic production occurred. These increases continued in 1958 and 1959.

First question: could the experimental smelting processes used to increase production have any bearing on the coins?

Second, there is a fairly technical discussion online about blackened surfaces sometimes found in electroless nickel plating. The discussions center on Carbon and Phosphate presence as possible culprits. URL: https://www.finishing.com/459/77.shtml

Second question: has anyone done nondestructive testing of the coins to determine surface and overall metal content? Do the coins differ from other contemporaneous coins? Could this suggest a quality control issue during the planchet cleaning or annealing process? (That could possibly explain why only one mint seems to have been affected.)

Third question: has anyone checked magnetic fields on the coins?

Just tossing out some questions to see if they inspire thoughts from the experts. Now I'll go back to
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