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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like a lot of luster on this one. Maybe the lighting, but I am going to say its a weak strike. AU 58
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6317 Posts |
Sure appears to have significant wear but there is some luster in protected areas. XF-45.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7080 Posts |
Sorry to be the devils' advocate but I see this one as a VF 35 coin. As mentioned there is significant wear. Visible on the talons, breast feathers, and hair, this would keep it out of XF range to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
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17817 Posts |
XF45
quite a bit of the flatness is strike related
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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
09/26/2025 9:10 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
631 Posts |
I think it's a good buy for the price. I'm still in the XF45 camp and agree with Panzaldi's comment on strike weakness.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks for sharing your grades. My humble opinion is AU55 and am puzzled as to why someone else didn't snatch it.. Not really mad about it though...  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1528 Posts |
Interesting coin.
Short of the stated grade, but still worth what what you paid.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
34628 Posts |
EF-45. Not crazy about the eye appeal of this one.
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Moderator
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Very nice!  |
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Pillar of the Community
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I'm going to buck the trend here a bit. I'm at AU-50. Let me explain why. I see two areas of overlapping strike weakness: (1) the peripheral lettering is stronger than the central devices and (2) the top of the obverse and the opposing bottom of the reverse are much better struck than the rest of the coin. IMHO, grading needs to focus on the areas of stronger strike. The flow lines and uneven strike suggest a later die state and possibly a tilted die.
On the obverse, the hair curls on the forehead, LIBERTY, and the cap are strong, and show wear consistent with an AU coin. On the reverse, the detail in the arrows and talons (especially the eagle's right talon) are consistent with low AU. The circulation dings are also consistent with an AU coin, with just one deep hit between the date and thirteenth star and a few surface scratches. The only modern contact is the long E-W scratch above the clasp on the obverse. There is original luster, including a halo effect. That is consistent with AU. There may be an old cleaning, but it is market acceptable. The fingerprint on the obverse is a bit distracting. Taken together, IMHO the coin net grades to where PCI pegged it, AU-50.
That's probably the first time I've agreed with a PCI grade.
Nice coin, and a good price.
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Moderator
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Good points. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1781 Posts |
40, maybe 45. Can't see it in an AU holder with the weakness and rub
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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more luster remains on the new photos. looks like it may have been improperly stored for quite a while. eye appeal a little lower than the original photos. AU50 is correct. if you see this FC how do you think TPG's assess strike on the bust halves. do they net grade it down, or since it left the like that do they ignore it to a degree? have you seen certain TPG's are more consistent in assessing it? |
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:if you see this FC how do you think TPG's assess strike on the bust halves. do they net grade it down, or since it left the like that do they ignore it to a degree? have you seen certain TPG's are more consistent in assessing it? The top TPGs do better with strike quality on 19th Century coins than the early 20th Century coins ( Buffalo nickels and SLQs are a definite challenge for them). They certainly know and expect that there is wide variance in planchets, dies, and strike in the CBH series. Where they struggle is with distinguishing circulation wear from strike quality on AG-03 to VG-10 coins. Just an anecdotal note here, but I think that when they do an attribution, they seem to do better when they grade the coin. The basement slabbers and lower tier TPGs are . . . not good. EDIT: The basement slabbers struggle distinguishing between a genuine CBH and a contemporary counterfeit. If you are looking for the valuable contemporary counterfeits, keep Keith Davignon's book handy and an eye on the off-brand slabs.
Edited by fortcollins
10/04/2025 09:55 am
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