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I'm still at 1853. I think we're seeing a TPG go with the numerically probability of it being a '58. |
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I would think that PCGS would need to positively identify a date before they could put it on a label, not just use a statistical likelihood, or an educated guess. But maybe that's not how it works. . .
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I would think that PCGS would need to positively identify a date before they could put it on a label My thought is that this is a business where graders' time is money. Can't expect 2 hours of research when grading a coin that generates less than $100 in grading fees. This coin can't be dated from the date. Folks are guessing here based on known date position, which isn't exact because you would have to be familiar with all the die varieties for coins of multiple possible dates. Not saying that this is fair, but if you assume that they will thoroughly research every coin that comes in the door, they would have been out of business decades ago.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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This coin can't be dated from the date. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that. The entire date doesn't need to be visible to determine the date, and the date position is part of the date. Based on what we can see of the date and the position of the upper numbers in relation to Liberty's base, the date can only be 1853. I would hope that a TPG would have enough expertise to determine that. In any case, making my point about the date position seemed to work, and they re-holdered the coin as an 1853-O.  But unfortunately, now they labeled it as an 1853-O Arrows Half Dime, despite there being no trace of arrows at the date. This is just as annoying, since the No Arrows variety is the only scarce one. Arrows at the date are usually strong and prominent, even when the date is weak. So I contacted them again, but they refused to take the coin back for reevaluation because they had already given me one complimentary reconsideration. They said that I could resubmit the coin for their usual grading fee.
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In any case, making my point about the date position seemed to work, and they re-holdered the coin as an 1853-O. Excellent!  Quote:But unfortunately, now they labeled it as an 1853-O Arrows Half Dime, despite there being no trace of arrows at the date... Bummer. 
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That is a big bummer, sorry to hear that Zurie.
I thought the same thing about mine, that the arrows would survive much better than the date and yours sure doesn't look like there were ever arrows there.
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There were no arrows when they called it a '58,
but now there's arrows when they call it a '53?
That's a "get off my lawn" decision, imo.
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i had it at VG details scratched
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That's a "get off my lawn" decision, imo. 
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Okay, so here's the rest of the story. I had no intention of giving PCGS more business to correct their own mistake. It happened that CACG was having a special on crossovers last month, with no fee charged if a coin didn't crossover. So I sent the coin in the PCGS holder to CACG and asked them to cross it over if they felt that the coin was an 1853-O No Arrows Half Dime (regardless of grade). And finally, I got the correct attribution with an acceptable G details grade!  It took two grading fees, but it was worth it because no buyer would just take my word for it that it was an 1853-O No Arrows. And if I left it raw for my heirs to deal with in the future, it probably would have gotten sold as a dateless coin for melt. So after multiple round trips to grading services, it finally got the right attribution with the G details grade that most everyone predicted! |
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And finally, I got the correct attribution with an acceptable G details grade Success! 
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Congratulation!
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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A sad story with a happy ending!
The CCF mantra...Education is the key to collector success!
Thanks for the Education!
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The CCF mantra...Education is the key to collector success! Thanks for the Education!
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