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 Posted 11/07/2008  12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Funny how I happen to have this in my collection and I never bothered to research about it:



Quite nice grade in my opinion. The square hole is off centered.
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 Posted 11/18/2008  4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manilagalleontrade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a copy. A lot of these coins are used for house decor like windchimes, sword made from coins attached together with a red thread, etc.

Chinese coins are essential ingredients in the practice of Feng Shui. It is the most potent symbol of wealth, especially when tied with red thread. They are rounded shape with a square hole in the center. The circle represents heaven while the square represents earth. When used by humans, they represent the cosmic trinity of luck of "Heaven-Earth-Man". There is the Yang side (with four chinese characters according to reign of emperor) and the Yin side (2 characters) on every chinese coins. The Yang side should always be used facing up. Feng Shui masters often focus only on Ching Dynasty coins compared to other dynasties because Ching was the most powerful dynasty in China, while other dynasties usually collapsed in less than a century. The Chinese coins, particularly of those of the Kang Hsi or Chien Long Emperors' reign are deemed most auspicious. Chinese coins are creation of old advisors of emperors (who are Grand Feng Shui wizards) and that is why chinese coins are powerful emblems of wealth, endless fortune and prosperity.
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 Posted 11/21/2008  08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add haidee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yaiks! is this a copy, too?



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 Posted 11/21/2008  7:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manilagalleontrade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
haidee its a copy in brass
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 Posted 11/21/2008  10:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All of the coins posted in this thread so far appear genuine to me.
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 Posted 11/22/2008  1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add manilagalleontrade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The method in doing the fake coins is the same as in doing the real coins. Casting. You have to have an eye for chinese coins to know the real mccoy.
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 Posted 11/23/2008  10:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add haidee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
^i actually asked a chinese guy (colleague) about it... showed him the coin... and he said it's real.
then again, maybe there's a standard weight for these, too? anybody who can share this info, so we can check
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 Posted 11/24/2008  01:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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maybe there's a standard weight for these, too?

Unfortunately, no. The cast ones like yours vary in weight considerably, and the size or diameter varies as well, particularly over such a long reign as that of Qian Long.

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The method in doing the fake coins is the same as in doing the real coins. Casting.

All of the most blatantly fake cash I've seen have been the ones that were made using modern coinage machinery, with little dimples carved into the dies in the background fields in a crude attempt to simulate the "sandy" background fields of genuinely cast coins.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  8:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DCH to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All of the machine struck cash look good to me.

Haidee's Qian Long, I'm not sure about. It's probably genuine as Hartill lists an undersized piece(23-24mm,1754-1760) with the note "often coarse workmanship". If this is a full size coin(25mm+,1736-1753) then it is most likely a contemporary counterfeit. I see nothing to make me suspect a modern fake.
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 Posted 11/24/2008  11:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They all look good. to me. And haidee, yours looks just like one of mine I found in the field in my old ancestral home in China.

Fake ones usually have something else written on it. Plus, the background is textured (like small little boils) and the coin just looks very new and... well, recently made.

Also, as not a deterrent, there are steel cash coins. Well, iron cash coins. They we making those up to the 1800s.




Well, I think these are what they're *supposed* to look like.

Anyways, the left one is Daoguang (1820-1850); the middle is Kangxi (1661-1722) and the last one is iron...
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11/24/2008 11:41 pm
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