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1995 Wide AM cent w/rotated reverse !

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numismo
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Posted 02/03/2009  11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add numismo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Message

Has anyone seen this before ?




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coop
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Posted 02/03/2009  11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Another one.... Nice find. I always look at all years of LMC to see if there are other years, but so far nothing out of the ordinary. I just don't get the Philly cents that much here in AZ.


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rockdude
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Posted 02/03/2009  11:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wow! I'm jealous. It's getting to where I don't look hard enough at the denver minted coins as I should.
Nice find and with a rotated reverse yet.


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numismo
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Posted 02/04/2009  12:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Take another look. It's not Denver ! I think it's a goodie.

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rockdude
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Posted 02/04/2009  12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I know it is, I was just saying what I did because the denver mint is no good for the wide AM's and only the 92D close AM.


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numismo
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Posted 02/04/2009  12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Have any others been reported ? I can't find reference to any.

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foundinrolls
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Posted 02/04/2009  02:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The one shown here appears to be a fake. There is a very pronounced seam easily seen over the word AMERICA.

I am fairly certain that the obverse is a shell and a mismatched reverse has been placed inside it.








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madzdad71
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Posted 02/04/2009  06:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add madzdad71 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Quote:
The one shown here appears to be a fake. There is a very pronounced seam easily seen over the word AMERICA.

I am fairly certain that the obverse is a shell and a mismatched reverse has been placed inside it.


I don't see a seam at the bottom though, and the obverse has the same seam. Looks like a misaligned die. There is a seam on the obverese above "TRUST" but not under his bust..That wasn't meant to rhyme


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numismo
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Posted 02/04/2009  08:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks all for the opinions. I'll withhold my excitement or disappointment until I get a couple of more expert opinions. If it's a fake, I'll be sad. If it's not, it may be the first one found. Either way it's different.

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Jazzcoins
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Posted 02/04/2009  09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I do understand what Bill is saying the seam is an indication of a fake this process is done to fake rotated dies shaving the coin and putting another coin on top There are alot of creative counterfeiter's out there that try to produce good fakes the coin also looks like a die rotation so the individual that faked this coin said I have two fakes on one coin a rotated die fake ,and wide AM 1995 fake. I do believe it;s a fake

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coppercoins
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Posted 02/04/2009  10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

The reverse design on this coin is not the typical wide-AM as was used on proofs that year...like ALL of the other mismatched reverse coins, which ARE of the proof design for that year.

This design most closely matches the design abandoned after 1985. The shape of the letters is not right for any coin minted during the 1990s.

Given the seam, the rotation, the very incorrect design, and the fact that this is the only example known, I am relatively certain this one was manufactured from two separate coins.


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numismo
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Posted 02/04/2009  10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thanks coppercoins. I was waiting for your input on this. Guess I won't be famous for this one. Oh well, back to looking through thousands of coins.

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chuckster 125
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Posted 02/04/2009  11:16 am  Show Profile  Check chuckster 125's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Just a curious question on this coin.

Why would someone go to the trouble of making this look like a "NEW FIND"
IE 1995 WIDE AM and not line it up properly- instead have a huge die rotation error on the reverse which to me would bring it under closer scrutiny.

Did he/she possibly see Bill Crawford's coin (1996 Wide AM) and want to mimic that one?




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Jazzcoins
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Posted 02/04/2009  11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jazzcoins to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Well ,maybe because, he probably has more made like this one when he sees this one may possible take off as authentic, and gets slabbed as a rotated die and 1995 wide AM, which would be a very scarce coin ,and a huge premium he would sell the ones that he made and will make a great profit just a thought


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chuckster 125
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Posted 02/04/2009  12:42 pm  Show Profile  Check chuckster 125's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add chuckster 125 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Wouldn't a well known TPG like PCGS,NGC, ANACS be able to catch it as a fake?

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coop
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Posted 02/04/2009  12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

They might now as modifying cents is know to happen. I bet it they compared a drop from 1-2 inches onto a table they would notice a difference in sound and also note a difference in weight?


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