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MathieuMa
Pillar Of The Community
France
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Hello Community :)
I'm again posting a coin from another place - I've my opinion on it, but would like a second opinion (and because of this, I won't post mine as of now).
For you, is this a fake or not ? (and why)
Thanks in advance !
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
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Mint Mark, Map looks off, edge looks to me ( not an expert )very poorly cast,   The coin is a force, that changes the course, of a body set in motion. TFD. TrueField Detective .....tm , Counterfeit detection tools and instruments.
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Valued Member
Philippines
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MatheiuMa - congratulations for posting your 500th  It's a counterfeit off-scale edge. |
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
1247 Posts |
Looks all wrong to me. Lettering is wrong especially on the Plus Ultra
"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself."
-Mark Twain
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Pillar Of The Community
France
972 Posts |
Here is what I didn't liked on that coin : * The edge is much damaged, compared to both sides. This is hardly possible on a regular coin (even sea salvaged) * On the first picture, the letters look mushy, and the coin's background looks like a sponge (unlike high points - sea damage would have been everywhere if that's what it would have been) * Some extra metal on the pillar die : on top of the left mint mark, under the top you and E, under the left N and on the right of the right bottom flower. * The denticles are irregular near the left mint mark As for the map and pillar Plus Ultra, it looks "too clean" - but not that much wrong compared to this one for example : http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...?cdb=K200502 |
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Valued Member
United States
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The dentils are poorly done and aren't the breaks on the right and left of the shield indicative of a counterfeit also?
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Pillar Of The Community
France
972 Posts |
Larry86GT : I think I remember that the master dies were made with parts of the shield - top and bottom, and that the lion / castle were added after.
I'm not sure when though, but I think I remember (again) that those dies changed in time ... I don't manage to find that discussion in the archives though :/
I'm not sure this is a 100% bullet proof clue.
Oh, cool, I'm over 500 post, now a Pillar of the Community :D
Thx for the heads up Pandesalapi - I didn't noticed :)
I'll post a set of coins to celebrate this :D
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
543 Posts |
MathieuMa looking at them side by side ( your link ) the maps do look almost identical! Left mint mark still funny, but what is up with that edge? Oh YES  500 plus! or Plus Ultra... The coin is a force, that changes the course, of a body set in motion. TFD. TrueField Detective .....tm , Counterfeit detection tools and instruments.
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02/07/2012 9:36 pm
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Pillar Of The Community
United States
519 Posts |
You need a specific gravity test(type in search box), and/or xray analysis to confirm. According to Swamperbob, the use of transfer dies is making detection a bear..the edges are the clue, but, I'm no expert on these.
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Valued Member
United States
352 Posts |
I would not buy this coin as genuine. Not sure how it was made though.
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Valued Member
United States
433 Posts |
I note no one makes any mention of the toning...
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Pillar Of The Community
France
972 Posts |
I wouldn't buy that coin either - I just don't want to tell someone I'm 100% sure he bought a fake if I'm not that sure :p
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Australia
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Pillar Of The Community
France
972 Posts |
TwoKopeiki & Swamperbob, if you watch this - could you please post your opinion ?
Thanks :)
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Valued Member
United States
368 Posts |
... anyway ... have some Sheffields for sale ... see seller: johnmenc ... listed as regals. But if you read this and want some Sheffields ... good luck. Some have distictive peeling. Can supply XRF data upon request after the E-Bay sale.
John Lorenzo
United States
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Pillar Of The Community
France
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I thought sheffield was plated - if it's regal silver (90%) - then it's not a sheffield, right ? (it could be a birmingam restrike though)
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Posted 02/06/2012 2:59 pm
