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Drsandman2
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Howdy all!
Anyone recognize this? It looks like the old "HIBERNIA" coppers, but I know those were counterfeited often. I don't know anything about these blacksmith tokens. Has the date been reworked?
Thanks!
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I will check later tonight for you when I get back to my desk, and confirm whether it's a blacksmith token. In the meantime, if you'd like to learn more about Blacksmith Tokens, you can peruse an article here: http://www.novanumismatics.com/arti...atics12.html  ---©2011-2012 - All Rights Reserved & Retained for CheetahCats' Postings & Images
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CheetahC - Thanks very much! A whole new world to explore...
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So after reading about the blacksmiths purposely making ill dies that create "worn" coins... this coin may actually be AU? I also found this resource: http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...h.intro.html Member of the ANA and Flyin' Club. IHC specialist. |
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I found something that looks just like it, but not EXACTLY. Doesn't look like the same die to me. http://home.golden.net/~eloker/pics...tandharp.jpghttp://home.golden.net/~eloker/tokn2.htmhttp://www.coinsandcanada.com/forum...pic.php?t=13Bust and Harp Token (BR-1012) This is a brass Bust and Harp (ca. 1837?), antedated 1820. Member of the ANA and Flyin' Club. IHC specialist. Edited by Drsandman2
02/09/2012 6:10 pm
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I pulled my original copy of Howland Wood's article from 1910. The reverse of the Wood-22 resembles your specimen, but the obverse doesn't match. My recommendation is to get a copy of the Charleton Guide for Canadian Colonial Tokens. More recent classifications of the Blacksmith Token a varieties are included in the guide. Here's a link to the item on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Canadian-Colo...p/0889683212If you decide to pursue Blacksmiths, I STRONGLY recommend obtaining the necessary books before pursuing. As per grading of Blacksmiths -- indeed typical standards don't necessarily apply. ---©2011-2012 - All Rights Reserved & Retained for CheetahCats' Postings & Images
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I've posted it on eBay in hopes that it can find a collector that may appreciate it more than I do!
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Looking at the 5th edition under Blacksmith imitations, the BL-35 is the closest I could find and was struck in 1820. The bust and harp look close but that is where the the similarities end. Different dies used, no date present, and there is a raised dot in the center of the harp among the strings. For comparison, the weight listed is 4.9 to 5.5 gr
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Looking at the 5th edition under Blacksmith imitations, the BL-35 is the closest I could find and was struck in 1820. The bust and harp look close but that is where the the similarities end. Different dies used, no date present, and there is a raised dot in the center of the harp among the strings. For comparison, the weight listed is 4.9 to 5.5 gr Yup. I know which one you're talking about -- I saw it in Howland Wood's write-up too. I possess doubts as to the OP's specimen being an actual Blacksmith.
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02/12/2012 04:00 am
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Its not a Blacksmith. Just a Bust & Harp type.
John Lorenzo
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The next edition of the Charlton book Canadian Colonial Tokens will be updated dramtically with Blacksmith information.
JPL
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Is it an imitation or counterfeit bust and harp type? The photos that I'm finding do not match. On my coin, the bottom of the harp is over the 8 and not the 2. Easiest way to tell.
Looks like I need to relist my coin after we sort this out.
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None of the bust and harp types are blacksmiths. Period. But I am just one person. New B&H variety. There is a book on these beyond Charlton. Go there if you feel inclined.
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I found this thread over in the Canadian forum. The coin posted matches the obverse die, but not the reverse. I'm into US classics, so this is not my territory. http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...IC_ID=110562Thanks to everyone for their help. For fun, I'll weigh it and see what we get. Member of the ANA and Flyin' Club. IHC specialist. Edited by Drsandman2
02/13/2012 09:11 am
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One of 25+ counterfeits that circulated. Brass or copper. If you find an 1825, let me know.
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