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IS PVC Damage Possible from Ike Blue Pack Packaging?

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 Posted 02/26/2012  5:10 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I've seen conflicting reports about PVC damage from govt packaging. I have had a 71-S Blue Pack Ike returned to me from PCGS with ungraded b/c of PVC Residue. The coin does have a beautiful luster and a pale green toning to it- but nothing that looks like damage- just toning.

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 Posted 02/26/2012  6:15 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. Near as I can tell, the US Mint has been using essentially that same plastic for sets since the 50's; I think we'd know if it was prone to PVC plasticizer byproducts before now.
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 Posted 02/26/2012  6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add yankee1227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's true Dave, all of the proof sets would have been ruined.

Probably a mistake, send it to NGC or ANACS instead.
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 Posted 02/26/2012  7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I too suspect something is wrong. Is it possible that the package was tampered with? Prior to you getting it or have you had it since new? And as already noted if you think it's worth the money, send to another TPGS.
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 Posted 02/26/2012  7:56 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a little torn. The packaging certainly looks airtight, but we've all seen toners in Mint flatpacks. With that as a given, can we conclude that the packaging is truly airtight? If not it opens the door to potential PVC problems.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ibab to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Recently been though a lot of blue ikes. I've seen some with some pretty odd stains and toning on them. Some looked like they had water damage. white spots on some. the mint package is not air tight as far as I know, and some seem to be a little open.

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 Posted 02/27/2012  09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have gotten some that look like they have been rubbed down with greasy fingers, even with finger prints on them sealed in the packets. I also have a beautifully deep golden toned Ike that I cut out of a mint set. I have gotten some pretty cruddy looking coins out of mint packs along with some awesome looking coins as well.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All three of my 1971 blue pack Ikes look terrible while all of my 1972 and 1973 blue packs look pristine. The luster is more flat and there are spots on them. Also,the cellophane packaging on the 71's is coming apart. I know I got these from different sources. Is this a condition that is typical to the 71 blue pack only?
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I don't think anything is outgassing from the cellophane, but what about the Blue disc that is packaged with it? If there is an air leak between the two compartments (quite likely), maybe the disc is outgassing and causing some problems.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  10:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No you can't get PVC damage from the blue Ike packaging. But the grader never saw the packaging, just the coin and he thought he saw "something" and bagged it.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cc99999 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@dave700x - 71-S were minted and treated differently. They were shipped in bags- like business strike coins- and then packaged. Most of them are banged around. 72-S and beyond were lightly frosted and in my opinion a completely different animal. A 71-S in gem is very uncommon- a 71-S in 67 is rare and a 71-S in 68 is almost unique.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Green is not always PVC residue. I think it is a mistake by the grader who saw green and made a quick judgment.
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 Posted 02/27/2012  12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info cc99999. That explains why mine look like crap. I've got a Dansco on the way and have been looking at my collection for worthy candidates and came up dry on the 71s silver.
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 Posted 02/28/2012  07:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Green is not always PVC residue.

More people need to learn that.
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