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VAM Assistance - 1879-S Morgan (Large S over Small S?)

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 Posted 03/04/2012  11:40 pm Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

I was about to list a 1879-S (REV of 79) Morgan on eBay, but I thought that I would give the "once over" with my DinoLite before listing it, since it is one of the most common Morgans out there. I noticed a "cup" on the bottom of the 8 and a drop on the 7 in the date. Then I looked on the reverse to find the mint mark irregularity, it appears to be a Large S over a Small S. One of the differences between the REV of 78 and RV of 79 on the 1879-S is the size of the S (78 being small and 79 being large). Could stamping over the Small S with the Large S happen?

Any help would be greatly appreciated since I am way new at VAM's.





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03/05/2012 9:34 pm
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 Posted 03/05/2012  06:54 am  Show Profile Check twohawks's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just an S/S there are many 79 Morgans with an S/S I would need to see the whole coin
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 Posted 03/05/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks twohawks, see if these can help, or if there is someplace in particular you need additional zoom on...



oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait
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"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Sherlock Holmes, Chap. 6, p. 111, The Sign of Four

"I tell her coins keep me off the streets and out of the bars." Moe145
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03/05/2012 2:15 pm
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 Posted 03/05/2012  8:12 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAM-12, I think. Believe I see the appropriate doubling on the 7, and it lacks the closed 9 of VAM-11.
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 Posted 03/05/2012  9:51 pm  Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see the "doubling" of the "7", but, what about the bottom of the "8" and "7"?
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait
"Always one more...you're never satisfied" 5150 Van Halen

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Sherlock Holmes, Chap. 6, p. 111, The Sign of Four

"I tell her coins keep me off the streets and out of the bars." Moe145
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03/05/2012 10:26 pm
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 Posted 03/06/2012  12:13 am  Show Profile Check twohawks's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks Like a Vam-11 to me!

Opp's missed the open "9" that makes it a Vam-12
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03/06/2012 12:16 am
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 Posted 03/06/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pardon my ignorance, but I don't see the similarity in the VAM-11 and the notches in the bottom of the 8 and 7 of the date of my Morgan.
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait
"Always one more...you're never satisfied" 5150 Van Halen

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Sherlock Holmes, Chap. 6, p. 111, The Sign of Four

"I tell her coins keep me off the streets and out of the bars." Moe145
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03/06/2012 11:38 pm
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 Posted 03/07/2012  04:55 am  Show Profile Check twohawks's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only photo up is a late die state coin that has been over polished. I see the indent on the 8 and what looks too be PMD on the bottom of the 7. You could send it to Leroy as I know he has boxes of reference info in his basement storage. But from what I can see in your coin and the description it falls to "the die is the die" The reverse is a dead ringer and the date type matches the VAM description.

Your coin just looks to be an early die state of the Vam-12
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03/07/2012 04:56 am
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 Posted 03/07/2012  9:33 pm  Show Profile Check oih82w8's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all!
oih82w8 = Oh I Hate To Wait
"Always one more...you're never satisfied" 5150 Van Halen

"...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
Sherlock Holmes, Chap. 6, p. 111, The Sign of Four

"I tell her coins keep me off the streets and out of the bars." Moe145
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