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How good are you? 1881S Morgan

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TonedMo87
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 Posted 03/12/2012  10:20 pm Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

Slabbed PCGS 1881-s morgan. Since discovering this forum, particularly the grading subsection, it has been extremely beneficial for honing my grading skills. Why not pay back the favor? Take your best shot!





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 Posted 03/12/2012  10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I'll try first. I will say MS64.
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 Posted 03/12/2012  10:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice...some of the marks are a bit distracting IMO. So...MS62?
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 Posted 03/12/2012  10:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cwb8539 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll take a stab at it. MS64
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 Posted 03/12/2012  10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jpcoins1400 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to go with MS62 maybe MS63.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  12:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Canadian-Banknotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-64

They may have given it a 65, if they were feeling generous that day.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  06:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add War Nickel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS65 is my guess. Lightly toned, very few contact marks, none of them in prime focal areas (nose, eyes, etc...).
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 Posted 03/13/2012  10:30 am  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are scans, which kinda throw one's perceptions off when evaluating for grade. On a scan, "dark" tends to be "bright" in-hand, and vice versa. Unfortunately, "color" tends to be "dark," also.

So, the color on the lower obverse could be fairly lustrous in-hand, but not seen here. The rest of the obverse field isn't terrifically bright, but the reverse is, especially down the center.

Further, the orientation of the coin to the direction in which the scanner's light passes can have an effect; this one was oriented nice and square I think, as if it were being photographed correctly. With most scanners, that makes the coin appear as if it were lit from 6:00.

Now, here's how that plays on the cheek, where we first look when grading a Morgan: The darker spots, especially below the eye, are likely less-consequential. They're almost certainly just luster breaks. It's the things that look "bright" on the scan that interest us; they're features which are deep enough to reflect back into the scanner sensor. Of those, there are darn few. Extending our view out into the fields, we see an equal scarcity of individual "marks" of either dark or light flavor - indeed, there's virtually nothing to draw the eye there.

Now, understanding that these images are rather too small to form conclusive opinion....I wouldn't be surprised to see this one in an MS66 slab. The single-worst mark I see is at the hairline, right behind the eye - I think its' directional orientation to the scanner light masks it's depth.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  12:29 pm  Show Profile Check rachums107's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add rachums107 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS63
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 Posted 03/13/2012  12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave, I'm opposed to scanned coins as well, but the scanner actually worked better then my really good point and shoot. I've taken a liking to taking pictures outside in the sun, but it was cloudy yesterday.
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My first instinct was MS63 but after reading the post by SuperDave I'll amend my guess to MS64. I'm probably not the only one who would like to see a photograph for comparison.

I think the more important skill is to be able to evaluate coins at auction with scans rather than photographs.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its sunny here so far today, when I get home I'll work on uploading some fresh pics.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  1:28 pm  Show Profile Check SsuperDdave's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I think the more important skill is to be able to evaluate coins at auction with scans rather than photographs.


In this day and age when so much potential business is available online only, it behooves us as collectors to incorporate the evaluation of all types of online imaging into our skillsets. That's an ongoing process for everyone - even though I've been doing this for quite a while I'm always ready to change my opinion of what I'm seeing based on new evidence. Question everything, most importantly yourself.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  5:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will guess MS-64 with a possibility of MS-65.
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 Posted 03/13/2012  5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TonedMo87 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some updated pics that I just took with my digital camera. I'm finding that I like taking them outside at this time here. Unfortunately, my camera, as you'll see, is red and is quite distracting. It's decent quality though, so any tips or tricks would be quite helpful.







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 Posted 03/14/2012  02:45 am  Show Profile Check westcoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I must be seeing more hits on the cheek than the others, I'm going MS62 maybe a 63, hopefully it's not as poorly graded as my 1921 ANACS, I put up a couple of months ago.
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